New aquarium, old fish - some questions...

My new wife moved in and brought her cats and her fish. Actually, they’re not her fish they’re her brother’s fish she was babysitting but he doesn’t want them back.

My only experience with tanks before this were little 10-gallon jobs, this is obviously bigger and I’ve got some questions. But first, some background…

So, it’s a ~50-gallon tank, 4x1x1.5 feet, gravel floor, under-gravel filter, single-fluorescent bulb hood, & plastic plants. It comes inhabited by four black-skirt tetras, a pleco, three silver dollars (I think) about 2.5 inches in size, a 7-inch catfish, and perhaps 4 small black eel-like fish that might be under the central fake ceramic tree root (loaches?). I haven’t seen them since we moved them but they’re really good at hiding. (Lousy fish for viewing, though. I wonder if the cats are interested in them.)

The under-gravel filter is serviced by two submerged power heads, one on each side. I added two more tubes to the “ports” on the filter thing and dropped an aeration stone into each. I like the bubbles, they filled the already-open holes, and, I hoped, added some additional flow to the filter process.

We added a heater since we thought the old one was dead and we added two gold mystery snails because the pleco doesn’t seem to be keeping up with the algae.

We moved the tank successfully (saving about 1/3 of the original water and all the gravel & plastic plants). The fish all survived the move, the worst problem was the catfish not fitting the net, getting his barbed fin stuck through the mesh, and me having to snip him free. He’s still wearing a ball of mesh on the end of his “arm” fin. I think he’s going to look like a little cheerleader the rest of his life.

The current residents seem happy.
The first is, rather broadly, what should I do differently for a 50-gallon tank that wasn’t important for a 10 gallon tank? Different treatment? Different techniques?

The current denizens are nice. My kids, though, would like a little more action and color. The silver dollars and the black-skirts all are, basically, silver. The 3 dollars school nicely and three of the tetras bum around together and there’s this one weirdly anti-social one that likes to strike out on his own a lot.

What’s the best way to introduce fish to this tank without having them become lunch? About a year ago, my then GF introduced about 5 neon tetras to the tank and they disappeared in about a week, one by one. No bodies were found. The catfish is certainly big enough to eat one but he’s not talking. Is there a good introduction method for new fish?

How much more fishage could I safely add? I know the one-inch per gallon rule, does that still apply at this size? I figure I’ve got about 20-inches of fish in there now.

If I introduce a couple more black-skirts, will they joint up with my paltry school? They’d be smaller, newer, but three more might make a more robust school.

Every now and then, the denizens of my deep starting whizzing around the tank. The catfish starts coming off the bottom and kind-of thrusting his nose up and around the upper part of the tank. Are they hungry? Is this a foraging behavior?

They also seem to have a group fondness for the left side of the tank. Frequently, the whole pile of them are all over on the left, just hanging out. Any reason this might happen?

Nitrates? Nitrites? Ammonia? How frequently should I check my water? Are the all-in-one strips any good? How do I adjust what I find?

OK - I guess that’s the immediate stuff. Any advice?

One more thought. Where are all the babies? Do aquarium fish not get it on? It’s really unlikely I’ve got a unisex environment.

Generally, the larger the tank, the easier it is to maintain a steady environment. Less susceptible to fluctuations.

-It comes inhabited by four black-skirt tetras, a pleco, three silver dollars (I think) about 2.5 inches in size, a 7-inch catfish, and perhaps 4 small black eel-like fish.

The “eels” are probably kuhli loaches. Sometimes they remain hidden, other times they are very active. The only fish that is potentially carnivorous is the big cat, which may well eat anything it can fit in its mouth. Some people say black skirts tend to be fin nippers.

-We added a heater since we thought the old one was dead and we added two gold mystery snails because the pleco doesn’t seem to be keeping up with the algae.

Bristlenose plecos generally do better at eating algae than common plecos. Which kind is yours? Also, common plecos get quite large. Believe it or not, both he and your cat may end up being plenty for your tank. Otocinclus cats (otos) are also good for eating algae, but nothing will eat all of your alge. You’re still going to have to clean some. And some types of algae - like black beard - just about nothing will eat.

-The first is, rather broadly, what should I do differently for a 50-gallon tank that wasn’t important for a 10 gallon tank? Different treatment? Different techniques?

No, nothing different needed. How much water do you change, how often?

**-What’s the best way to introduce fish to this tank without having them become lunch? **

That cat is going to be a problem. I’ve got a large cat I took from my sister, and he recently devoured 6 serpae tetras I introduced. 2 options are to either get something really quick like danios, or larger lime rainbows, gouramis, etc.

If your kids want colors, gouramis, platys, and mollies are good options. Pretty hardy, cheap, and generally available. I would also add a small school of cories - corydoras cats - to clean some detritus off the bottom.

**-How much more fishage could I safely add? I know the one-inch per gallon rule, does that still apply at this size? **

Like many “rules”, 1"/gallon is more of a guideline. :wink: You need to figure the maximum mature size. And some fish cause more of a bioload than others. The silver dollars, cat, and pleco could all get considerably larger. Try not to add too many fish at one time. 3-5 is plenty. You might wish to ask the fish shop what their water chemistry is - some fish are very sensitive to a change in ph, or require high or low ph.

I’d probably add a couple more tetras to school them up. Generally they show better schooling behavior in larger groups. You have to make a personal choice whether you have froups of a small number of species of fish, or one of a kind of many different species. I tend to prefer the former.

Then I’d decide upon one kind of fish to add color. Maybe dwarf guorami. Make sure to get males and females, to see courting behavior.

-If I introduce a couple more black-skirts, will they joint up with my paltry school? They’d be smaller, newer, but three more might make a more robust school.

Yes. I’d get the school up to 6-8.

-Every now and then, the denizens of my deep starting whizzing around the tank. The catfish starts coming off the bottom and kind-of thrusting his nose up and around the upper part of the tank. Are they hungry? Is this a foraging behavior?

Fish tend to do that. Some cats gulp air from the surface.

-They also seem to have a group fondness for the left side of the tank. Frequently, the whole pile of them are all over on the left, just hanging out. Any reason this might happen?

Is the lighting/shelter different? Does the cat hang on the right side?

-Nitrates? Nitrites? Ammonia? How frequently should I check my water? Are the all-in-one strips any good? How do I adjust what I find?

The strips are pretty much crap. Once your tank is stable, you don’t need to test it often. I can’t remember the last time I tested my tanks. But I have all live plants and do weekly water changes.

I’d recommend checking out one/some of the many fine dedicated fish forums on-line.

Where are the babies?
Yeah, fish get it on, but not all breed easily in captivity. Also, some lay eggs while others are live bearers. And other fish readily eat eggs/fry. Some species prefer special environments for breeding - a cave for plecos, a piece of slate or other surface for angels.

If you want babies, add mollies/platys - both live bearers.

Pleco? Beats me what kind he is. Spotted. Poops loooog strings of fish poop. Anything defining I can look for?

Yeah, in prepping this post, I looked up “silver dollars” and found a website. Pretty sure the picture is what I got and then I saw, “size of a saucer” - that’s a bit bigger than I thought they’d get. 5-10 year lifespan says the website? Whoa!

Everybody, including the cat, seem to hang out on the left. The tank seems balanced for decorations, that is the corner of the room, though. Lighting is bascially balanced. I thought they might fear the bubble stone under the gravel over there but I turned if off and their behavior didn’t change.

Changing about 10% of the water (5 gallon bucket) every other week or so - is this OK?

ETA: Not terribly interested in babies. Just curious. I’m thinking that making babies with the big ones in the tank would be mostly “making fish food”.

Wow, Dinsdale pretty much covered it–there’s much more for me to add, except to echo his words. You’ll find a 50gal tank is many times easier to maintain than a 10gal; the larger the tank. The 7" catfish will mean you shouldn’t add anything big enough to get in his mouth–I have a 10yro 6-7" catfish that I sometimes forget about in my 45gal tank (he hides in the back). I bought 5 neon tetras that promptly disappeared; it wasn’t until the second set of 5 disappeared that I realized–my catfish was eating them! Oops.

You have a pretty mellow community tank, so be mindful of the temperments of any future additions. Stay away from cichlids (both African and South American); they’ll beat the stuffing out of the tetras. Slower, long-finned fishes (such as bettas, certain types of angelfish, and the like) might get nipped by the tetras, so I’d stick with other tetras.

Yes, fish breed, and it’s more likely in a larger tank…however, certain species have specific environments required to get them “in the mood” and I don’t think you’re at risk with the species you have.

10% water changes are about right. Try not to ever do more than a 30% change unless absolutely necessary, as it can be very disruptive to the biological cycles. That said, I had to do two 80+% water changes a week apart when our home was tented for termites (had to move the tank twice in about 8 days), and everyone survived just fine. We tried not to stir up the gravel too much, and that may nave helped.

As for your pleco–does he look like this? That’s a common pleco.

Yeah - that looks like him. A common pleco…

I’m sure he thinks he’s special, though.

So - what do you do with a giant pleco (Wiki says “up to two feet”) or a giant catfish if they live long enough to get that large?

Is there a market for these? List them on Craig’s list?

Fry them in batter?

Seriously, there is little market. A local pet store might take it off your hands, but won’t give you much if anything for it. Lots of people buy these, and don’t realize how big they get. I far prefer the bristlenoses which max out around 5".

That said, I’ve had common plecos for years and never seen them get huge. Then again, my synodontis catfish didn’t let them. The 4" pleco I had 10yrs ago got the stuffing beat out of him on a regular basis by the synodontis (who apparently felt like the pleco was trespassing on his turf). Several times I fished (ha! literally) out the pleco to nurse his wounds–only to return him to the tank for another beating. I think I ended up taking him to the pet store for credit once he healed for the 3rd time or so.

I bought another small common pleco last year, and thankfully the larger tank (from a 30 to a 45) the synodontis is housed in made a difference in his territoriality–the pleco is completely ignored. Good thing, as he’s kept the algae I can’t reach with the magnetic scrubber completely cleaned up. Meanwhile, the pleco is still about 3"–I haven’t seen much growth.

Speaking of size as Dinsdale alluded, be very careful and mindful of what you buy. I am stunned at the fish sold in pet stores to people with 10gal tanks…some of these (in particular several catfish species) get HUGE.

Pacu, tinfoil barbs, and bala sharks all can be 12"+, yet are commonly sold when they’re about 2-3" and “cute.” I had a tinfoil barb in a 60 gallon aquarium that grew incredibly fast–he tripled in size in a matter of a few months. I ended up selling him back as he started eating the baby Jack Dempseys I was breeding.

Stay clear of clown knives, arrowana, and redtail catfish–these suckers are commonly sold around 3-6" but can grow to 36". No decent tropical fish store would sell one to you without making adult size very clear, but Petco and Petsmart and the like often have no idea WTH they’re doing.