NEW Stupid Republican Idea of the Day (Part 1)

The clear indication to me, is that those two private companies chose to treat that specific instance of political speech. It says nothing at all about what any other private company should choose, and it absolutely says nothing about what government should require private companies to do.

And never mind that they did, in fact, ban him before he left office.

The individual social media companies decide that, according to whatever criteria they like. Don’t like their criteria? Start your own social media company, with hookers and blackjack.

Or just put up a half-assed blog on your existing website and call it “social media”. That works too.

Me neither. Good thing I don’t run Facebook or Twitter! But ISTM they have a right to make these calls, and face the consequences of lost revenue if the public (or their advertisers) don’t like their decisions. Isn’t that the free enterprise model Republicans supposedly favor?

^ This.

Unless social media is considered a public utility, much like broadcast media…

Lots of good points being made! Maybe this debate should be moved somewhere else!

It is not and never will be.

Not really; the only good point thats been made is that these are private companies and they can generally offer or deny their services to whomever they choose.

Speaking of false information

But…we have to take note that Twitter and Facebook didn’t ban Trump until after he left office

Both twitter and facebook banned Trump on January 7th two weeks before he left office.

Pfft… facts; who needs 'em?

Well, there you have it. Everybody, it’s time to go home. Snowboarder_Bo has declared an end to a topic that has been debated, pretty much everywhere for the last 14 years, to be over.

Good point. Those were temp bans, however, the permanent ones not coming until after he left. But that may have just been window dressing by FB and Twitter.

Broadcast media does have the right to make these kinds of calls. I cannot call up the local TV or radio station and demand that a thing be aired. Even before Reagan murdered the fairness doctrine, broadcasters still had broad discretion about what they published.

There’s no debate and hasn’t been one, that I know of. Just whining from people who have been denied service.

Jason Miller has been ordered to pay $42 thousand in legal fees after losing a lawsuit against Gizmodo after they reported that he had given a stripper an abortion pill which killed the baby and almost killed the woman.
https://www.rawstory.com/amp/jason-miller-abortion-2653081058

I have been trying to come up with a rational line of reasoning that could lead to a conclusion that social media is a public utility… and I am failing.

A little help?

  1. Social media ought to be required to provide service to conservative politicians, rather than being allowed to ban them.
  2. Public utilities are required to provide services to everyone.
  3. If social media were public utilities, they wouldn’t be able to ban conservative politicians.
  4. Therefore, social media ought to be declared to be public utilities.

Part of the problem here is that @mikecurtis is actually using the wrong terminology. The broadcast media are not considered to be public utilities. For the purposes of government control and FCC regulation, the term applied to communications media like radio and television is “common carrier.” The internet as a whole was also classified as a common carrier about six years ago, for the purposes of net neutrality, but as people probably know, net neutrality was repealed by the FCC a couple of years ago.

I don’t agree with @mikecurtis about the Florida law, and I don’t really think that social media should be regulated like common carriers, but I think that some folks in this thread are being a bit unfair to him regarding the nature of the debate. There is little doubt that the past few years, in particular, have seen a growing and increasingly rigorous debate over the nature of speech on the internet and the extent to which private companies can (or should) be forced by government to control or limit or regulate what private individuals can say on their platform. Just a few weeks ago, the National Constitution Center’s We The People podcast, which focuses on constitutional law, had an episode on this very topic: President Trump, Justice Thomas, and the Future of Social Media.

Also, I’d be interested to know if any of the people jumping on @mikecurtis in this thread have, in the past, taken a position on whether Facebook and other social media companies can, or should, be compelled by the government to monitor advertisements and/or posts on their platforms for accuracy, and delete factually inaccurate advertisements and/or posts? Because if you have no problem with the government telling Facebook or Twitter that it has a legal obligation to remove misleading or false information, then I’m not sure that it’s very much different for the government to tell social media companies that they have to adopt certain consistent rules for deplatforming political candidates.

I’m not sure if it was anyone in this thread, but a couple of years back when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was grilling Mark Zuckerberg about Facebook’s policies, there were quite a lot of people on my side of the political fence (i.e., the liberal/progressive/left side) agreeing with her, arguing that social media should be required to remove factually inaccurate information, and that if they failed, the government could and should step in to regulate them.

One of the interesting things about the whole social media debate over the past few years is that calls for government control and regulation are coming from both sides of the political spectrum, although with a slightly different focus. Calls to regulate social media or limit Section 230 have comefrom both liberals and lefties like Joe Biden and AOC, as well as right-wing authoritarians like Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson. They all have slightly different reasons for their arguments, but for all of them, it seems to boil down to, “I want these companies to limit access for people and viewpoints that I don’t like, and/or be compelled to provide access for people and viewpoints that I do like.”

I completely forgot about this, and it is absolutely no surprise that the people who demanded to get rid of net neutrality are the same people who are mad that internet companies aren’t being ‘neutral’.

Agreed. There are definitely a whole bunch of hypocrites on this issue.

Not only that, but requiring net neutrality on the internet as a whole makes far more sense than requiring individual social media providers to be neutral. The internet as a whole is just the infrastructure that carries the information, and requiring that the internet service providers let all traffic through on an equal basis is, it seems to me, similar to requiring that the telephone companies have to connect everyone’s calls.

But if Facebook kicks you off its platform, there are plenty of places on the internet where you can still get your message out. There is no need for Facebook to be neutral, because they’re just one service on thousands provided on the internet.

I’m not sure I think that as well. I’ve spent the last forty years as a free speech absolutist, but I’ve gotta say that the way the internet in general and social media in particular, have really abused the privilege of free speech has got me rethinking my stance.

Where I do really think that the Florida law is not a good idea, is that this is really a matter for a national debate, not something done piecemeal at the state level.

Sure, as long as it doesn’t lead to alarm. Like yelling fire in a theater that could get people hurt.

I believe it’s the same as saying “masks don’t help” “COVID is a hoax” especially by a person in power can also get people hurt.

Social media has a right if not an obligation to shut these idiots down.

Here, I think we actually might be able to find common ground. I’m increasingly of the opinion that absolute, unfettered free speech is becoming a net negative for the health of our country.

QAnon has decided that the Deep State is faking UFO sightings to distract the public from the AZ audit and as a prelude to a faked alien invasion and culling of the human race with Nazi energy weapons.

No comment yet from Ted “How do you do fellow humans, I also enjoy inserting animal flesh into my oral cavity and processing it into nutrients and waste matter” Cruz.