New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10

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And that’s the way it will be until you hit max level (and probably acquire some of the rare crafting recipes from ToC and Icecrown Citadel); nobody spends much on at-level gear for characters who are going to throw it away in five levels anyway, so your primary market is probably people who are leveling their enchanting skill.

I know I used to put in about thirty bids on the cheapest greens at any given level range just so I could disenchant 'em for dust while I was leveling enchanting on my DK.

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The person who bought thorium bracers from be last night bought four pairs, so unless he/she is an octopus, I’m sure they got disenchanted.

Is there a way of knowing in-game what the items will give when disenchanted, or do you have to go to a website?

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Website if you want quantities, which you do.

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Don’t even bother trying to make money from blacksmithing until 400 skill. Just take mining or herbalism (whatever is better on your server, generally herbalism) and bring in the money you need to power BSing that way. Every so often see if some enchanting rods are missing from the AH and make a few bucks there. Also the Darkmoon items. That’s what I’d do in your place, which I was like two weeks ago.

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This. Enchanting rods can be ludicrously expensive on the AH, and enchanters will usually suck it up and pay for it if they can’t find someone to make one for them. Or at least I did.

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I have an add-on that tells me in the mouse-over what an item will likely disenchant into (i.e. it says 5% Abyss Crystal, 75% Dream Shard, 20% Infinite Dust). I believe it is Enchantrix (came as part of the Auctioneer suite).

Like Palooka said it doesn’t give quantities, but generally you can tell - the more likely something is to generate a higher-quality shard, the more likely you are to get a large amount of lower-quality stuff, IME.

Having an enchanter available is a god-send for levelling a crafting profession - I was able to level JC at a very low cost by DE’ing all of the rings and selling the dust.

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It’s also not that hard to tell what you’re going to get from the item level - level *0 greens will disenchant into about 1 dust or one lesser essence, level *9 greens will disenchant into 5 or so dust or several greater essences, with a chance of turning into a shard, with the type of dust determined by the value of *. (so level 10 items give strange dust, 20 soul dust, and I forget the rest).

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I hit 80 about 3 weeks ago on my rogue Nikarus. Then two Sundays ago, after about a week at 80, I came back from out of town, and I was going to log in and do some heroics, I got to the blackwater raiders character page and I noticed Nikarus had no gear on in his portrait.

So I thought, well maybe I went crazy and had done that for some weird reason. I logged on, and ALL of my stuff was gone. I checked my 80 priest, same deal. The only decent gear I had left was my first piece of Triumph gear that I’d bought (cause they can’t sell it.)

I didn’t have a penny to my name on any of my chars, and a new alt had been created, evidently to ferry all my gold off to the hacker’s characters. I sent an email through support, and put in a ticket. It took over a day, but then they responded to me, closing the ticket and saying they were looking into it.

Well finally, yesterday, I got my stuff back. Playing Nikarus with all my stuff gone has really been a lesson in how item based WoW is. On Sunday, while I was waiting for my ticket to be answered, I decided to do some naked runs of dungeons, since I already had no stuff.

I ended up spending some of my honor on some temporary gear, and dragging out some old pvp swords that I had bought at level 60. I tried to run SM Cathedral, and I got smoked by the Boss. Being 80 and losing to a level 30 dungeon was just embarrassing.

It was an eye opener, for sure. I ended up buying an authenticator and have attached it to my account. I ended up running a couple heroics yesterday after I got my stuff back, and then I ran Wintergrasp for the first time. It was fun, but still confusing.

I’ve been set back a couple weeks in gearing up, but I’d like to try ICC once before Cata comes out, don’t know if I’ll make it or not.

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Enchantrix comes with the Auctioneer suite. Even if you enable it for the character, though, you still need to turn it on. Type **/enchantrix load always **to make it always load for that character. (Unless there’s some reason you wouldn’t want it to always display, in which case you can just use /enchantrix load that time.)

It will add to your tooltip (a) what the item can DE into (broken down by percentages, e.g., 75% Dust A x 3, 20% Essence B x 1, 5% Shard C x 1) and (b) what the value of those mats is, adjusted for the chance of each dropping (so any particular DE may be worth more or less when you actually do it, but will equal out in the long run).

:smack: Glad you got your stuff back. Getting hacked has got to be a terrible thing to come back online to.

As a tank, I think something like 70-80% of my current unbuffed HP comes from my gear. It’s amazing what a difference it makes.

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Productive night. We’re raiding in the middle of the week since our RL won’t be able to be on next week. We ended up getting Putricide down once we got the idea wrt the ooze targeting and movement. Woo hoo! P3 was a bit of a pain, but we got him down the second try.

Then we went back to the Princes and got them down once the spriest and shaman figured out the heals. The mage also focused on orbs since he has blink, which freed me up to unload on whichever of the princes was up. We started working on BQL too, and got her to 40%. The bite order is kind of tetchy since my assigned bitee can wind up dead before I can bite, which happened to both the current bitee and the backup. :smack: I’m not really surprised that someone wrote an addon to try to handle the bite order assignment, given its volatility.

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got my 1st heroic, by accident. Thought i was queueing for a normal, and hadn’t noticed the droip down on the random tool had changed and was defaulted to heroic. Got through OK, and now have a cpl of enchants thanks to one of teh other guys on the Heroic.

Have 100 stone keeper’s shards now. What are these used for and where do you spend 'em?

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You can spend 'em at Wintergrasp Fortress, in Wintergrasp (the PvP area), when your faction controls it. They’re used to buy PvP items, for the most part, though you can also convert them to Honor points, which you can spend on epic-level (uncut) gems in (probably, I’m a Horde player) Stormwind.

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There are vendors in Wintergrasp you can use, when your faction controls WG. The shards are mainly good for PVP gear and gems, also some heirloom items and a mount.

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heirloom sounds interesting. will have to have a looksee

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The heirlooms you get with stone shards have PvP-oriented stats, but the same +xp% bonus as the ones you buy with emblems. In fact I think my pally tank uses the heirloom sword from the shard vendor because it has a lot of +stam on it.

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Wolkie sashays in…:wink:

You can always pick herbies!:slight_smile:

Sashays out.

Hey, we’re making fun of ourselves!:smiley:

(It is an easy profession!)

Q

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Grats on PP and BPC, lizardling! IMO, if you can get PP down, nothing else should give you much trouble until the Lich King himself.

Hunters are also great to task with keeping track of the Kinetic Bombs–you can set your pet on one and auto-shot the other.

Yeah, the addon helps a lot. At this point, though, the buff gives a pretty decent marging of error to keep everyone from dying, if they’re paying attention. The main things:

1.) People with Pact collapse to a predetermined point (usually the very middle of the circle in the center of the floor) as soon as it’s cast.

2.) People with her Legion Flame ish thing need to strafe to the outside edge of the room and kite the fire as soon as they get it. They absolutely can’t stand still or drag it through the center (where people need to stand for Pact).

3.) The first vampire needs to hold off on their first bite until they have just a couple of seconds left, to avoid lining a bite up badly with an Incite Terror.

4.) Anybody who’s been bitten needs to keep an eye on Incite Terror’s timer, so they can be aware of when they’ll need to bite in relation to it, because…

5.) People need to spread out for Bloodbolt Whirl. You can’t be stacked on someone waiting to bite them, or the splash damage will kill one or both of you.

A death report mod like Acheron is really useful for a fight like this. Knowing what kind of lethal damage people are taking is essential to troubleshooting it, IMO.

Yup, SW for Alliance, with the other Honor vendors. They’re in the Old Quarter or Old Towne or whatever the hell it’s called, kind of by the Warrior trainers. Only where you’d go left for Warrior trainers and straight for SI:7, you go right. There’s a PvP mount vendor right outside the door (mounted), so it’s pretty hard to miss.

At only 10k Honor per gem, it’s a great way to get rid of your extra honor (and shards, by association).

It really makes me :smack: that Blizzard knows that tanks are the one big bottleneck in five-mans, yet they don’t make any tank-specific Heirloom gear. Because of the bigger Stam investment, PvP Heirlooms can really be your best bet for PvE leveling, in that particular instance.

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My, that’s a lovely wreath of flowers you have woven around your big metal helmet! :smiley: Better make Silka one to match, or she might decide to eat yours…

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I am entirely too patient in random heroics. I worked a 13-hour shift Thursday, which ended at 8:00PM, and I only had a couple hours before I had to get myself to bed cuz I had to be up again at 6:00AM Friday. So I figured I had time to run Ahune and then a random heroic on my pally, and maybe time to squeeze in an Ahune run on my mage.

So my pally ran Ahune (and got the staff, which is of course useless to my pally), and then queued up for a random. Ended up in one of the Nerubian dungeons (can never remember which is which - this was the one with Herald Volazj for the last boss). And died five times, including four wipes.

Death #1: Healer bailed for no apparent reason right in the middle of the second trash pull of the instance. The hunter and I ran back and we queued for a new healer. For some reason the tank and the shadow priest took freakin’ forever to run back. New healer showed up, and we waited several minutes and the tank and spriest still hadn’t re-entered the instance. At this point I noticed that the tank and spriest were from the same server, and had remarkably similar names, and I started to suspect that somebody was multiboxing, but of course I didn’t have any actual proof of this and I don’t know how I would find out for sure. Worth noting that, at one point before they ran back the spriest went offline for a couple minutes, then came back on, and then she and the tank ran back. Anyway, the new healer got tired of waiting for these two to run back, made some comment to the effect of “Damned random dungeon thing putting me in a !@#$-up group” and quit. Tank and spriest finally came back, we got a new healer, and started again.

Death #2: We ran back to where we died the first time, tank pulled a group of trash, and then while we were fighting that group we suddenly got swarmed by the group of trash that had been clear on the other side of the room, and wiped again. Hunter immediately accepted the blame and apologized, saying his pet was set to Passive and he had no idea why it ran over to that other group.

Death #3 & #4: Both wipes on Jedoga Shadowseeker. Nobody but the spriest and I seemed to understand the need to take out that volunteer as quickly as possible. Healer was apparently very unfamiliar with the instance, because she was the last one to make it back after the first wipe, and got lost trying to catch up to the rest of us, made a wrong turn (I was watching her progress on the map) and ran into a group of trash that killed her again. Spriest ran back to rez her, but couldn’t find her, so just waited for her to run back and then led her back safely to the rest of the group. After the second wipe, healer was again the last one back in, and this time the hunter turned around and ran back to guide her … or so I thought. I was watching on the map again, and he ran right past her and kept going, and got himself killed by trash. The healer finally caught up to me where I was waiting, and I started running the rest of the way with her. Which led to …

Death #5: The healer and I got jumped by a pair of elites at the bottom of a set of stairs the group had already cleared and had run down three times already. No idea where they came from, but we died quickly. That was it for me, finally. The tank had been waiting near Jedoga this whole time, the spriest was about halfway between the tank and where the healer and I died, and the hunter was still running back from his last death. The group was entirely too spread out, and I made a comment about how everybody really needs to wait until everybody is back in the instance after a wipe, and move as a group. And then I quit. I just didn’t have the energy to keep trying, and in any case my repair bill was up to 50g.

I think my “too patient” problem boils down to being convinced that if I drop out of an obviously “bad” group early, in an easy instance, and queue for a new dungeon, I’m going to end up with H:HoR instead. And I just don’t want HoR when all I’m looking for is a quick run to get my Frosts, especially when it’s late and I’m tired. So I stick it out with the bad group, hoping against hope that maybe we’ll manage to blunder through to the end.

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Well, thanks to all of you, I used trade chat for the first time and asked for an enchanter to disenchant my BS trash. Nobody answered, but I wound up making a sword for someone who had an enchanter as her main and logged her on. Instead of making about 18 gold on the trash, I am anticipating about 40 gold. Sweet! BS is up to 288 and I am in Sithilus so I should be able to get hold of enough thorium to max out.