New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10

She saw “Syanalle thanks everybody around her” or “Syanalle thanks you”. Premade emotes are understandable cross-faction.

Well, we finally got out of Glineas and Clawdie is now in Lor’Daneal. That last quest with the gunship, though? If I had stood there and waited for more people before mounting, and flying, I’d still be there.

He goes through 4-5 different “spiels” about waiting. Just on the off-chance that there might have been a mount ready to go, I checked 'em out and got a green arrow.

So at 4 am in the morning, it was Clawdie and Lorna only on the gunship and then we got on the boat to R’utheran, went to Darnassus and got her some decent armor and weapons.

I like the Worgen, but Gilneas was just such a depressing place.

By that I don’t mean I won’t run another one through, just that it got tedious.

Thanks

Q

I completely agree, Quasi. I especially love the Worgen lore, but I’m reluctant to start any new worgen or goblin, just because the ride-the-rails nature of the phased quests is kind of tiring.

Thirded Q I have done it twice now and never again if I want another Worgen I’ll roll a human and race change. It’s also put me off the goblins - I have deleted 2 level 3/4 goblins now I really should have taken one through their starting zones before I did my second Worgen.

How hard is it to trap as a hunter these days? I was leading a group last night and asking the hunter to trap and he missed more than he hit.

Which bosses drop the bouquets? I have everything done for the LIITA meta except the bouquet, now. I have not yet been in a Cata dungeon. I’m skeered…

I got my red, red roses off the first boss in Grim Batol.

Got mine off Dragha too

Okay, I’ll read up on Grim Batol and try to figure out the fights before I start playing tonight. I’d feel really embarassed to get in there and stumble around like an idiot.

I had heard that some of the bosses in Wrath Heroics also dropped the bouquet. I tried to solo Keleseth, but couldn’t manage. That ice tomb or whatever it is has a very different effect on the fight if you’re the only actual player involved.

Were you letting him pull? Since the trap-shooter aims for an area rather than a creature, it can be hard to hit an in-combat type moving target. My general approach has been to let the rogue sap then have the hunter pull with his trap and otherwise have the mage or whoever pull with his casting-time-requiring cc. (Exception in the case where there are monsters that charge, like some of the trash packs in heroic deadmines.)

(I’m sure it’s still easier than the days of drop a trap-use distracting shot-profit).

If you are letting your hunter pull and he’s still missing, he’s playing pretty poorly.

It seems like it’s a lost art. The trap-thrower mechanic requires a smidge of practice, and unless it’s specifically a trap-pull (i.e., drop the trap directly on a mob and that starts the pull), predicting the path of a mob and dropping the trap correctly isn’t a given.

Particularly hard is when someone decides it won’t be a trap-pull and does some other pull (body pull, for instance) before the trap goes down. I’ve dropped traps RIGHT BEHIND a moving mob more times than I want to admit. (Yes, the thrower seems to have a small but non-negligible flight time as well.)

Worse than all this, though, is the crowd of (I think) relatively new hunters who don’t realize or believe that CC is a hunter responsibility too, perhaps more important than DPS. It’s a nuisance and a chore, not an opportunity to shine and contribute. Sad.

Any other old-timers remember when kiting General Drakkisath all the way back to The Beast’s room was both expected and a mark of skill and distinction? (Kiting is CC as well, and a lot of hunters never got the hang of it, either. Also sad.) A well-done kite always brought compliments and thanks from the rest of the raid, back then, even after that fight got down to farming.

Crap. I hate when I get to pontificating and miss the point of what I was going to say.

The technical “trick” that makes trap-tossing require some time, practice, and concentration is the fact that your camera angle makes a big difference to targeting accuracy, particularly on uneven ground. At a low angle of view, you can place the targeting circle well away from the intended point and not realize it. But you can’t use a very high angle of view if the target is at max trap thrower range (it’ll be off-screen). So it just needs practice and a few uninterrupted seconds of time while placing the trap. If your group puller isn’t giving you that, it’s unfortunate, but then again there’re always d-bags that insist group’s problem is always someone else’s fault.

An actual trap pull definitely makes life easiest for the hunter. It gets exciting when there’s a simultaneous sheep pull: your trap needs to hit sometime before the casting of polymorph or hex completes, or your target will move, and if you’re having trouble placing a trap on your stationary target, dropping it in front of a moving target may be impossible within the scant moments you have before the mobs converge on the melee fight zone.

I’m not all that as a player and I find Grim Batol OK. Just after the first couple of trash pulls are some roped dragons. You get to fly them around fire bombing the mobs below. if you and your team mates get a real good peppering down, then you can be facing low hp mobs much of the time.

First boss is general someone or other. Don’t really have any specifics for this fight.

In the next section the boss (Forgemaster or something) patrols, so you need to be slightly careful when you take on the trash that he wont be all up in your business mid fight

Third boss is called Drakha. He throws fire bolts which can be interrupted and invocations of flame which cant. The invocations are linked to one player and head for them. If they make it they explode of rhigh damage. DPS should take them down before this happens. When he gets to 25% he jumps off the edge and comes back up on a dragon. nuke the dragon watching out for invocations. It is better to be ebhind the dragon. When dragon gets low, it dumps Drahka and you finish him off.
The last boss casts a spell called shadow something or other. Whilst he is casting a purple swirly circle appears somewhere in the area. everyone should get in it. After the spell he summons an add. This should be taken down before you go back to pounding on (Erudax?)

I was letting him pull for the record which seemed the sensible way to do it, we had a mage on emergency sheep duty for any ranged mobs. This was in HoO and there are plenty of opportunities when we had two or more guard mobs.

On review - and thanks gnoitall interesting and informative stuff, the more I know as a noob tank the better.

The whole having a wedding to plan thing is really cutting in to my WoW time, but I did get to play a little bit last night. Got the 25,000 Honorable Kills achievement on my mage, along with my first win in the new Battle for Gilneas battleground. :slight_smile:

Heh…yeah, I actually got my first Arathi Basin win the other night because it would have felt weird to Pity and run, so I stuck around for a whole battle once I’d pitied my fool at the blacksmith.

Will the song be romantic, bawdy…?

Very good :smiley:

Please do not ask the hunter to trap the back of the mob. Aiming so the trap hits the person in the back and not the person right in front of him is hard. It’s way easier to get a hunter to trap stuff on the sides or right in front and then get a spellcasting class or rogue to get the stuff in the back, since spells don’t need to aim and rogues can go to the back of the mob easily.

Love, your friendly neighborhood huntard

Thanks, will do.

Here’s a lovely overview on CC and CC-like abilities. Not much depth, but a good insight into what kinds of CC you can expect from the composition of your group.