New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10

[Skammer]

Thanks Tom, that’s how I remembered it.

In addition to the Burning Dog Legion successfully 9-manning the rest of ToC10 last night (one-shotting each fight without a death), I got another achievement. I was looking at my stable of mounts and realised I had a number in the low 40s (don’t remember exactly how many). There’s an achievement and reward for having 50. I suddenly realized that although I had bought all the epic mounts from all the Horde races long ago, I had never bothered buying all the regular mounts. They’re only 8s each. So I went to Org, Brill, Silvermoon and Mulgore and bought all the regular mounts which brought me up to 51. (I just realized I forgot to get the Raptors from Sen’jin!). So I got my achievement but more importantly, my lovely Albino Drake.

[JayRx1981]

Yesterday was productive for me. I got my DK alt to 80 and finished up the Dragonblight and Sholazar Basin quests (completing HF, BT, GH, DB, and SB completely now, leaving ZD, IC, and SP).

I also ran a daily heroic for frosties with guildies as my bear druid. It didn’t even matter if I ever lost aggro. They literally had the mob down the next second anyways. It helps that it was UK, but it was a fun run.

Finally, I got into a weekly PuG for Ignis. When I got in I saw it was the same exact group who a few of us kept wiping with on EoE the previous week, so I was a bit nervous. Turns out they knew the Ulduar fights MUCH better than Malygos though, but the healers just couldn’t keep people in the pot alive, so after the first wipe they asked me if I’d be willing to switch to resto (I never get to DPS, I guess) and after that we had no deaths, so I got some Ignis achievement or other as well.

[jayjay]

My old world Loremaster plod continues…I finished up all the non-Stratholme/Scholo quests in Eastern Plaguelands (except the Battle of Darrowshire…Redpath died before Corrupted Redpath appeared so I abandoned and I’m only going to finish it if I absolutely have to), and moved down to Stonard to begin the southern EK offensive. I have 40 Kalimdor quests left, and 150 EK quests. I’m thinking there are probably more than enough in Swamp of Sorrows, Blasted Lands and Stranglethorn to at least get most of that gone. Then I can do dungeon quests that count and probably finish with those.

Zul’Drak is probably going to be the hardest Northrend zone to finish for Loremaster. There just don’t seem to be enough quests! And most of what are left I can’t solo because they involve elites that are way beyond me. I may actually have to start doing randoms just to gear up (I hate grouping dungeons…I’m still mostly in quest blues and greens at 80).

[Ferret_Herder]

@JayRx1981

Finally, I got into a weekly PuG for Ignis. When I got in I saw it was the same exact group who a few of us kept wiping with on EoE the previous week, so I was a bit nervous. Turns out they knew the Ulduar fights MUCH better than Malygos though, but the healers just couldn’t keep people in the pot alive, so after the first wipe they asked me if I’d be willing to switch to resto (I never get to DPS, I guess) and after that we had no deaths, so I got some Ignis achievement or other as well.

Hot Pocket?

[Skammer]

When I was levelling there seemed to be 150 quests in Stanglethorn alone. That place took forever.

[Tom_Scud]

@Ferret_Herder

Hot Pocket?

Nah, some other achieve (I was online at the time). I got hot pocket when I did the weekly on my healer; could have gotten it twice in one fight if it worked that way :).

[Jas09]

@JayRx1981

Finally, I got into a weekly PuG for Ignis. When I got in I saw it was the same exact group who a few of us kept wiping with on EoE the previous week, so I was a bit nervous. Turns out they knew the Ulduar fights MUCH better than Malygos though, but the healers just couldn’t keep people in the pot alive, so after the first wipe they asked me if I’d be willing to switch to resto (I never get to DPS, I guess) and after that we had no deaths, so I got some Ignis achievement or other as well.

That reminded me of my adventure with the Ignis weekly this week (well, last week I guess - happy maintenance day everybody!).

It was clear from the beginning that the DK Off Tank had absolutely no idea what he was doing (his claim of “I haven’t done this in awhile” was belied by his lack of achievements). No problem, I’ll explain the fights.

Flame Leviathon down with no real issue (fortunately I deftly steered the bad players into vehicles where they couldn’t really screw up other than getting themselves killed).

Trash before Ignis? OT dies at least three times. I’m not even sure if he was crit-capped to be honest, but hell if I was going to go back to Dal to get a new one. On one pack I asked him to pick up the second target while I tanked the first, and the incidental Heart Strike damage (no diseases mind you) pulled off him.

Did the “tank him in the water and zerg” strat, which was really the only way it was happening with this tank. All he has to do is pick up the adds when they come alive, pop some CDs when he gets a lot of them, and survive.

He dies after one, maybe two, adds… :smack:

So, I taunt/DG the living adds, pick up every other one that comes alive in the fight. We ended up with 8 or so, IIRC.

Then, to top it all off, this drops: Igniter Rod. A spell power off-hand item. The DK rolls Need. When asked he says “for Off-Spec”. Fortunately someone else won and I got a new member for my ignore list.

Really was my fault for not inspecting him before the run, I guess. But at least now I know I can solo-tank that weekly.

[JayRx1981]

@Tom_Scud

Nah, some other achieve (I was online at the time). I got hot pocket when I did the weekly on my healer; could have gotten it twice in one fight if it worked that way :).

It was Stokin’ the Furnace (10 player) according to my wow-heroes profile. Which also barely puts me in the green, in my Balance spec, for ICC.

[Skammer]

@Jas09

Then, to top it all off, this drops: Igniter Rod. A spell power off-hand item. The DK rolls Need. When asked he says “for Off-Spec”. Fortunately someone else won and I got a new member for my ignore list.

You should have asked him if his off-spec was Resto.

[JayRx1981]

@Ferret_Herder

Hot Pocket?

I got that one as well, actually. Easy as heck to heal through, even in my DPS spec.

[Shot_From_Guns]

@Nava

The people who were in the guild were perfectly happy to be able to DPS while she healed. Anybody who didn’t like the healing of our healers was welcome to make a better healer and let our moonkin DPS, which is what she would have preferred to do.

I have to admit, I’m very confused. First, she’s a healer. Then no, she’s a DPS, not a healer. Now she’s a healer again? But apparently she doesn’t want to be?

A ten-man raid, overall, is structured around having two tanks, two to three healers, and five to six DPS. Is she sitting in that one slot that tends to bounce between healer and DPS? I still fail to see why she wouldn’t have a healing spec and a DPS spec instead of trying to fill both roles (badly) with one; then she can heal well when she needs to heal, and DPS well when she needs to DPS.

It sounds like she’s someone who’s suffering from Frustrated DPS Syndrome: a hybrid class who wants to DPS but is forced into another role by the needs of the group. But instead of (a) just saying “no, find another healer” or (b) actually performing the role she’s agreed to fill, she’s (c) trying to DPS and heal at the same time, which (d) does not work, because it is not how the game is designed to work.

@One_And_Only_Wanderers

I will hit 50 Frost tonight. Where can I pick up that cloak that was recommended many many pages ago?

Tanks for Everything is where you find your tier gear. All of the non-tier badge gear can be found inside the faction enclaves. For the Alliance, that’s the building to the right of our inn, up the stairs that are across the room from the capital city portals. Horde can find theirs by running straight back through their enclave entrance and up the stairs.

@Skammer

So I got my achievement but more importantly, my lovely Albino Drake.

Congratulations!

@JayRx1981

When I got in I saw it was the same exact group who a few of us kept wiping with on EoE the previous week, so I was a bit nervous. Turns out they knew the Ulduar fights MUCH better than Malygos

Maly is rough on PUGs–if a good portion of the raid isn’t familiar with ph3, everybody dies. Ignis, on the other hand, you can pretty much faceroll: keep him facing into the water, have an OT pick up the adds, and all the DPS has to do is keep attacking (and, for casters, preferably stop casting at the right times to keep from getting locked out).

@jayjay

My old world Loremaster plod continues…

Good luck! I tell you, nothing made me appreciate being a tank quite so much as all those quests. There were so many I could easily solo that I could see being a major pain for other classes and specs.

[Shin_Kell]

@Yeticus Rex

Pretty fun yesterday running the FoS-PoS-HoR chain with Xander, Rolandor, and Rottingbird! We had one pug (Grove?) that stuck with us the entire trip and he held his own as well…I think I died once on Garfrost and I think that was it for the entire run. Xander was awesome on tank and showed us how to take out the HoR spirit mobs by staying in the hallway…just inside the doors! The rest of us had our doubts, but now I’m a believer…that was a better way of handling and being able to see the mobs coming in!

That was my first time tanking HoR on my paladin too. The hallway you enter from and the hallway where the LK comes in for his little RP spiel are the only two places I’ll tank from, my warrior, druid, or paladin, doesn’t matter I’m alway in the hallway. It’s easier for me to see what’s coming in, to LoS any ranged and my healers/dps aren’t confined to one little spot. I refuse to tank in the alcove.

Had to leave our ICC25 early so my brother could help me assemble my new computer. Sadly it still sits in the kitchen, unfinished, because of a few missing screws.

ICC10 tonight, more Lich King, blah.

I’ve been working really hard on my holy paladin, trying to get badges for upgrades and money to buy mats so I can make what craftables I have patterns for. After a few lucky drops in ToC I decided to stop tanking heroics and start healing them. I was super nervous about it seeing as how I’d only healed about 5 instances so far and I was still getting used to all my buttons, so the RDF in all it’s infinite wisdom decides to throw me into H PoS. H PoS with a crazy paladin tank who had more confidence in me than I had in myself. Only two people died on Garfrost because they were too awesome to LoS the frost debuff, the rest of the run was smooth. The paladin never slowed down, pulled multiple mobs together, chain pulled the gauntlet and ripped through Tyrannus. I learned REALLY quick about using my cooldowns properly, my bubbles, and how to manage my buffs mid run. After that run I was sure I could heal just about anything.

Hoping to get geared enough to maybe do a ToC 10 sometime this week.

[Shot_From_Guns]

Nava, let me put it this way. It’s like your friend is on a softball team, and she’s decided she’s giong to play with a pool noodle instead of a baseball bat. Maybe her friends really think it’s funny–that’s fine. But maybe it’s a giant inconvenience, but she said, “If you don’t let me use my noodle, I walk, *with *my husband the pitcher” and they’re effectively forced to take her because there’s no one else who can fill those spots on the team.

Maybe she does an okay job with the noodle–bunts a lot. But she’d do an even better job with a bat in her hands.

[Palooka]

It’s probably that the whole guild is terrible. One of those guilds were 4k dps is amazing. I’ve been playing for like six weeks now and I’m amazed at how few people actually understand how to play the game.

[FlightlessBird]

@Shin_Kell

Hoping to get geared enough to maybe do a ToC 10 sometime this week.

If it’s not too much of a step backwards, I should probably start getting some experience with tanking a raid on Lightbird. According to wow-heroes ToC10 is in the green (well cusp of yellow/green). Maybe one more UG will put me over the top.

[Skammer]

@Shin_Kell

Hoping to get geared enough to maybe do a ToC 10 sometime this week.

If you want to heal ToC10 for us on Monday either of us who healed last night could switch to DPS.

[Tom_Scud]

@Skammer

If you want to heal ToC10 for us on Monday either of us who healed last night could switch to DPS.

The trick will be finding enough tanks, though Muz & Lightbird could try. I’m a bit scared at the prospect of tanking acidmaw.

[Shot_From_Guns]

@Palooka

It’s probably that the whole guild is terrible. One of those guilds were 4k dps is amazing. I’ve been playing for like six weeks now and I’m amazed at how few people actually understand how to play the game.

Which is fine–it’s their $15 a month. But it sounds like they’re having problems recruiting because new people are coming in and seeing this chick with a pool noodle and saying (perhaps with less tact than is appropriate) “WTF?!” And it sounds like they’re not so much okay with her sub-par heals and sub-par DPS as they are afraid of losing a tank and another warm body who sometimes heals.

[Skammer]

@Tom_Scud

The trick will be finding enough tanks, though Muz & Lightbird could try. I’m a bit scared at the prospect of tanking acidmaw.

:smack: Oh right. Say, when is Amarynth coming back?

[Angel_of_the_Lord]

So, I’m having a problem. I’ve read up on my destro spec, I’ve gotten decently geared, and I still don’t think that I’m pulling the DPS that I should be (5Kish raid-buffed). I’m following the rotation that everything I’ve read said I should use (Curse of XXXX -> Immolate -> Chaos Bolt -> Spam Incinerate, refresh DoTs when they’re up, do Chaos Bolt when it’s up. And yet, I’m falling behind other destro locks.

So, yeah, here’s my character. I think I’m gemmed correctly, but I don’t know for certain. I think I’m well-geared, but I don’t know for certain. I normally have my imp out, and firestone on my weapon. I always have Flask of the Frost Wyrm going. What am I doing wrong? Is it just that I suck, or did I build her wrong?