Read the link. If the 100+ falsehoods attributed to Trump since he became president are false, then refute them. For bonus points, pony up a list of all the Clinton lies.
Ha ha, what am I saying? Sharting Fartist wouldn’t know a fact if it somehow got lodged between his tongue and Trump’s asshole.
He’s only now getting to the point where developing the skill would help him.
Up 'till he ran for president, when he lied, he could just wave some money around, and everyone (except for the people he was lying to fuck over) would fall over themselves pretending to believe.
Now people have incentive to call him out on his bullshit, or at least less incentive to go along with it.
And he’s entirely unequipped to deal with it.
The point isn’t that Clinton lies absolve Trump. Rather, it’s a condemnation of the media for ignoring the lies and deceptive behavior of Democrat politicians while Trumpeting (sorry) those of Republicans.
Biased and hypocritical reporting by the mainstream media has proven counterproductive (the rise of Limbaugh and Fox, for example). The roughly 50/50 divide in votership hasn’t been diminished in the slightest despite their best efforts all these years. And it’s lead to the situation we have currently where we have the liberal news media and the conservative news media, each of whose audience watches or reads in order to hear what they want to hear.
One would think they’d learn. Unfortunately the liberal contingent in this country seems immune or uncaring as to the damage it does itself in its zeal to wallow in self-righteousness. Witness Hollywood, for example, whose ticket sales are nowhere what they would be were most of its populace not busily engaged in pissing off half the country. Witness also the blowback by the three quarters of American society that doesn’t identify as liberal, which has resulted in the Republican party being in control of most of the country’s governorships, the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and for a long time, the Supreme Court. Time and time again we’re heard from the small number of liberals who get it that non-stop attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with you is both a turn off and self-defeating, and yet most of the liberal voices in the country have made clear their intention to double down and engage in even more of it.
Well, hooray for my side, I guess, but still I’d prefer things run the way they were when adults were still in charge and people and politicians could disagree while acknowledging the other side has what it thinks is best at heart while remaining friends despite their disagreement.
I’ve seen this kind of fan behavior many many times now, so I think I have at least the most obvious correct answer for you.
His most loyal followers, the ones who continue to complain when OTHERS lie, but excuse all of Trumps lies, do so for the usual short list of cover stories.
Trump’s lies are all STRATEGIC. They are part of a deep plot to accomplish all the goals they think he promised them to pursue.
Trump’s lies are REVENGE for the lies of others. And of course, it’s always okay to lie a a form of REVENGE, provided it’s against people who they don’t like.
Trumps lies are caused by the people who he lies to. That is, his opponents are so vile and horrible, he HAS to lie, just to fend them off, or to treat them in the horrid fashion which they so richly deserve, for being his opponents.
The most childish cover story, someone actually posted above somewhere: “the other people did it FIRST! So that makes it okay and praiseworthy when our guy does it!” Most mature adults wont even let the smallest child get away with that tripe, but some of them will declare it to be proof of Godhood, when it’s necessary to blind themselves to their own insistent stupidity. And I say stupidity very carefully there, because the only word we have for people who have declared that they are incapable of learning, IS “stupidity.”
Basically, Trump’s most dedicated followers actually love him BECAUSE HE LIES AND LIES AND LIES. When opponents write up lists of all his lies, they laugh with glee and celebrate them.
Oh, and by the way, he wont bring about peace in the M.E. But I have no doubt whatsoever, given his now VERY long history of doing so over and over again, that he will insist on taking credit for absolutely anything positive which DOES end up happening there, especially if it is because of actions which were taken by previous Presidents, long before he even decided to run.
Then how is it everyone knows about the Clintons’ lies?
What “ignoring”? The lies and deceptions of Democratic (note correct spelling of “Democratic” as adjective) politicians are picked to pieces in the media all the time.
What seems to be bothering you is the fact that most people other than ill-informed conservative zealots are simply less upset about the lies of Democrats (note correct spelling of “Democrats” as noun), because they’re far less numerous and less egregious than those of Republicans.
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Unfortunately the liberal contingent in this country seems immune or uncaring as to the damage it does itself in its zeal to wallow in self-righteousness. Witness Hollywood, for example, whose ticket sales are nowhere what they would be were most of its populace not busily engaged in pissing off half the country.
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:rolleyes: Once again, Starving Artist constructs an “argument” based on his own wishful thinking about what he imagines would happen if some large-scale cultural phenomenon were different in some vaguely specified way.
In the real world, of course, the Hollywood film industry overall is extremely successful while films that cater to the ill-informed conservative zealot demographic (which Starving Artist mistakenly imagines to be “half the country”) tend to do quite lackluster business.
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Witness also the blowback by the three quarters of American society that doesn’t identify as liberal, which has resulted in the Republican party being in control of most of the country’s governorships, the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and for a long time, the Supreme Court.
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Nah, the blowback in American society is largely due to anger about the results of Republican policies, which Republican politicians have successfully and dishonestly managed to blame on liberal ideology (aided by decades of excessively yielding and bipartisan Democratic politicians too intimidated to stand up for what liberal ideology actually is). Look at the remarkable popular success of the Sanders campaign in channeling that anger to its rightful conservative targets, simply by being forthright about what liberalism actually stands for and what citizens actually ought to expect from their government.
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Time and time again we’re heard from the small number of liberals who get it that non-stop attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with you is both a turn off and self-defeating
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If that were really true, the Republicans as a party would be doing far worse than they are. It’s true that your non-stop attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with you are both a turn off and self-defeating, but on these boards your attacks don’t have the financial backing, widespread political corruption, PR expertise, or credulously ignorant audience that the Republican party organization benefits from.
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but still I’d prefer things run the way they were when adults were still in charge and people and politicians could disagree while acknowledging the other side has what it thinks is best at heart while remaining friends despite their disagreement.
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You can’t justify willful blindness and dishonesty by demanding them in the name of civility. The problem with your rosy-hued scenario is that at present, unlike at many times in the past, the Republican organization doesn’t “have what it thinks best at heart”—at least, not what’s best for Americans as a whole.
Your controlling elite has now embraced an ideology of supporting what it thinks best for the interests of wealthy conservatives. Nobody else’s well-being or liberties really matter to them. Demanding that liberals stop pointing this out because it embarrasses your side and hurts your feelings is both cowardly and dishonest.
What specific Clinton lies were not covered to your satisfaction by the media?
I don’t think she ever confessed to murdering Vince Foster, but that’s more of a lie of omission.
Well, he was omitted in a very emphatic way.
There’s that whole Lewinsky thing that the press just swept under the carpet. You probably never even heard about it, right? That is, before Trump so bravely outed the story during the campaign.
Who would judge whether a statement is a lie?
Example:
But Trump’s tweet said:
That’s not a lie: he doesn’t claim there are tapes. But I’d say there’s at least an implication that tapes might exist.
Not a lie for several reasons, even though Tripp’s revelations were substantially true.
If you played this game, who would judge whether a given statement was a lie?
Of course he hasn’t. After all, until now, he could simply fire people who called him on his lies. Come to think of it, he apparently believes he can still do just that.
It’s not that they’re okay with his lies. It’s that they simply don’t care because on the rare occasion he tells the truth, he’s telling them he’s going to screw over the very people they hate. You know, immigrants, women, and especially Muslims.
Remember, he got voted in even after his campaign suggested internment camps for Muslims would be just fine. They even proudly mentioned World War Two camps for Japanese-Americans. You are not dealing with rational people here.
Witness intimidation, which has been a tactic he’s used in the past.
Yes. But this response is utterly irrelevant to the point I was making: not a lie.
To the overall observation that he’s a shitty human, of course, highly relevant.
Well done in blaming liberals for the ills of American discourse while simultaneously calling for us to be courteous and friendly while disagreeing.
Uhhhh, not really. Trump made some wishy-washy statements about Japanese internment camps, but he never “suggested” internment camps for Muslims. Some guy from a PAC (not a member of Trump’s campaign) suggested that the Japanese Internment during WWII set a precedent for a Muslim registry, but he did not propose Muslim internment camps.
Muslim registry? Yes. Internment camp? No.
Note that the OP of this thread is a troll, too, btw. Let’s not feed him.
This explains his Nomex underwear.
What the heck is a Lewinsky? Is that some kind of WMD?