No it is not. Our stories and ledgers are of no importance to pakeha community, well the majority, we are taught in schools that captain cook was our founding father, which is utter bullshit, Abel Tasman a Dutch explore was the first white to step on land, further more, Maori and Moriori had already developed a society
I wanna know , why is it that Pakeha can have hereditary titles but Maoris can’t? Why shouldnt we be allowed it, also, it against Aristocracy Human rights to deny a group or a persons claim to a group or club in which they choose to be a apart of. Just like its against human rights to deny a man his religion, customs , culture and beliefs or the right for gays to marry. It is also my right as an Aristocrat to claim a title within a class I belong to. If a commoner is jealous of that well that’s just to bad, we have rights to make claims to a group or club of people.
I am starting to become offended by the constant referral to European descended new Zealanders as “Pakeha.” That seems like my Wife’s family consistently referring to my side of the family as “palefaces.” That would get my feathers ruffled (heh) especially as she has more than enough English and French blood to actually have a lighter complextion than I do.
That seems like a legitimate gripe, and a much more fertile area for change. American schools vary quite a bit, as they are controlled locally, but my education in Kentucky included a pretty substantial amount of material about the Native Americans.
Because the whole concept is arbitrary nonsense.
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Why shouldnt we be allowed it, also, it against Aristocracy Human rights to deny a group or a persons claim to a group or club in which they choose to be a apart of. Just like its against human rights to deny a man his religion, customs , culture and beliefs or the right for gays to marry.
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You’re referring to the right of free association, I take it? It’s not being violated in this case. Nothing prevents you from starting or joining a group or club you choose to be a part of, be it devoted to Maori noble titles or birdwatching.
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It is also my right as an Aristocrat to claim a title within a class I belong to. If a commoner is jealous of that well that’s just to bad, we have rights to make claims to a group or club of people.
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What’s the source of the right to claim a noble title?
It’s not a derogatory or offensive term, and it’s a hell of a lot more convenient than “European-descended New Zealanders”.
Oh shut up! That’s the word for it so ill use it, now Im not even aloud to use my own language, whic proves my point about what I have been saying, that we can’t even use our own term and translation in our own country without some getting offended. Pakeha was first used for white people, it is a white person who is the Queen, it is in her Pakeha name that me as a Maori is determined as a New Zealander. I cease to be a New Zealander. I get offended that you get offended from me using my own language.
What’s the source of the right to claim a noble title?
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The right to petition to the Queen and ask her to title her nobles. We are her nobles, and under the treaty she deemed us as British subjects. So we can make claims under the statement as well, initially we were British subjects and under nobiliary law we can make a claim to a title.
The grant of Noble Patent Documents
Exercise of public charges and military service were an important part of many families from origin, just before 1789. Accepted for the fact that today, a Prince (sovereign or not) can bestow nobility titles, at least to perpetuate the nobility and/or the importance of the title. In some cases, a Duke can also transmit a title.
I got that from the nobility association, so in reality my grandmother and now her son can infact grant there own titles. She had the authority to do so
You do have the right to petition the Crown, sure, going back to at least 1689. But that’s not a right to claim a noble title, it’s the right to ask for one, at the discretion of the Crown, unless there’s some British right to title I’m unaware of (which is quite possible).
The naturalization of foreign nobility, which is the assimilation of immigrant nobility into the domestic nobility, usually with the purpose of ensuring the foreign nobility the same privileges as the domestic.
Extract from nobiliary law. Techinaclly , Maori Nobility is considered foreign even though we have resided in nz before the current monarch, so therefore I can make my claim under that law
Is there something stopping you from using them?
And what, exactly, is preventing you from making your petition to the Crown? Despite this being the most influential and best-dressed Message Board on Earth, we really do not have as much influence with the Queen as it may seem.
Ben-wynayrd, please don’t tell other posters to shut up, even in jest if that’s what this is.
During your time here - which isn’t all that long - you’ve already racked up one warning and now a mod note. If you wish to continue posting on the Straight Dope Message Board you will - immediately - throttle down your emotional responses to others posts. I encourage you to express opinions and show facts, but not in a way that is either insulting or in any other way meant to intimidate other posters.
Yes, beacause we are subject under the New Zealand crown, which does not recognise Maori nobility. We are untitled as such, so therefore can’t claim to be called Baron or a Rangatira with no formal backing. We are almost considered foreign within a own nation. wWe are like nobles in exile within our own country,
And might I ask what authority do you have? Who the hell are you? I will say what I like thank you!, he insulted me so ill bite back.
Goodbye, Your Highness.
Regards,
Shodan
Shodan, you owe me a new keyboard.
What “recognition” does the Crown offer any other nobility in New Zealand?
He’s the guy who is probably going to ban you for failing to read the subscriber agreement and board rules.
Oh well, he should just handle the jandel … Anyways I can always create another account under a different email and name…it’s sweet as
Um, no… our Moderators understand complex interweb-type stuff like IP addresses, and are pretty sharp when it comes to recognizing returning monomaniacs.
Bla bla bla, I have an iPad,iPhone and a lap top, my wifi is provided by the city council. Wifi is free in the CBD. You ain’t worried