News threads about mass shootings are getting derailed with gun control debates. I’ve seen it happen in every shooting thread since the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in 2012. You have to get into the thread early to even discuss the tragedy. I saw the Atlanta church shooting thread derailed by page 3. Same thing happened yesterday with the Umpqua Community College shooting. The thread was informative and supportive of the victims for the first few hours and then its right back into the same tired debate on gun control.
I understand that reflects real life. These shootings do reignite the issue. But can’t we reserve threads on these tragedies to discussions about the tragedies? For example more details have come out about the shooter. But its pointless to post them They’ll just get washed away in the gun control debate. It happened last night. They lowered the fatality count from 13 to 10. Really encouraging news and my post just got washed away. The thread was on a new page within the hour.
disclaimer, I did post twice in the ucc thread supporting conceal carry. A mistake that I won’t repeat. I didn’t post abut it again when I saw where the thread was heading. Its not respectful of the people involved in the tragedy. I’ll never allow myself to get drawn into a gun control debate again.
I don’t see it as a big deal. It’s not like you don’t have forty or fifty opportunities a year to discuss multiple shootings. Just wait a few days and you’ll have another one to talk about. The way you go on you’d think they were scarce as hen’s teeth.
I made a small mistake and briefly got sucked into the debate in this one thread and owned up to it. Very early, 2 posts on CCW, and stopped long before the train wreck. I regret it and won’t ever get baited like that again.
I wasn’t surprised by the hijack. It’s become a depressingly familiar cycle. Every single time theres a shooting we see people drag out the gun control debate. Ruining the thread for people that are interested in information and discussion about the tragedy.
The board need to address this and decide what to do. We know there will be more tragedies and threads that cover them. Is it that hard to state a policy to bring gun control debates to a separate thread?
You certainly can’t complain about lack of mod attention to that thread. I lost count of the warnings and the double-warnings given. Good gawd people, develop the ability to learn when it’s a good idea to stay the fuck away from a thread until the waters calm down.
That being said, I’m sensing that there was a little too much emotional investment by the mods to a truly tragic situation suffered by a member here. It seemed apparent in some of the items being quoted in the warnings. Locking the thread temporarily was one of the better mod decisions I’ve seen in a long time. Perhaps that should be used more often.
Seeing gun control arguments in a thread about mass shootings is what I would expect.
Banning and suspending longtime members is not how I would expect this to be handled even if they have prior warnings. I would rather see mods split off the offending posts to create a GD or Pit Thread rather than repeatedly tell people to do it themselves.
I think the mods got too heavy handed with this one.
And oddly the only formal warnings went to those on one side of the debate despite others carrying on the derailing. Wish I was surprised at that.
There really isn’t much more to discuss in these cases exept whether we can stop the next one and how we should go about it. If you want information about the number of dead or details about the shooter, the internet has resorces devoted to reporting the news.
Yeah, there WAS more to discuss. It was a thread started by a Doper who lost friends on that day and the thread was started in MPSIMS, not the Pit and not Great Debates, for crying out loud. That was a thread that begged for support from people and that’s what it should have been about, that’s all. Furthermore, if the mods seemed like they had too much “emotional investment” because of a friend’s involvement then more power to them for being able to recognize a genuine need from someone in this community. Jesus Christ, get a fucking heart, people.