And what amuses me most about this one is that it was McNabb acting cocky coming into the playoff game at Dallas, where they spanked him for the third time in a season.
And I agree with Ellis Dee – the phone thing on the Giants’ sideline merited the taunting penalty. And it would seem the refs thought so, too.
Err, yeah. I’m glad I’m not the only one. Really, if you think picking up a phone without saying anything to anyone is worse than any of the dozen times a player hits someone and stands over them, you’re just irrevocably biased. I guess it’s worth an unsportsmanlike penalty… but certainly no more than any celebration dance a player does after a sack or touchdown. It’s obviously no more taunting than that. Those never get flagged though. Kinda iffy.
As for bearflag70, I find him more likeable for that clip. Plenty of guys dance on the way out of the tunnel. I would have an easier time accepting these two examples if they didn’t happen to occur against your respective favorite teams. Kinda iffy, again.
You know, I didn’t really find…whatever it is that he did…as unsportsmanlike or rude but rather just weird. He really looked like he was going to sing for GWAR not quarterback the Eagles.
I’m not totally serious with my clip. I just think it makes McNabb look like an ass. Otherwise, I’m really only familiar with clips of McNabb vs. Dallas because I don’t normally watch the Eagles when they play anyone else.
The first thing you have to realize is that ED here has longstanding psychological trauma affecting his relationship with McNabb, stemming from his infancy, when something called a “running QB” poured his mac and cheese on his head.
Ah, yes, NFL referees, the last bastion of reason and good taste extant in this world of rampant phone-related ego stompings. Anyway, you said “mocking and taunting his opponents.” In neither video is what he’s doing even visible to the great majority of the other team. And for fuck’s sake, how is picking up a phone taunting, anyway? What did his picking up the phone that he saw sitting there communicate about his opponent? It’s the NFL, for chrissake, where players spend hours pregame concocting elaborate celebratory rituals, and where every play that’s stopped for four yards or less results in a dragon dance by the defense. And bending over and picking up a phone for two seconds is your exhibit A in the case for McNabb being especially detestable?
Now, I don’t know that I’d go so far as to say that second clip makes me like him more, mind you, because he’s acting like a jackass, but he’s not taunting his opponents. He’s a goofball and prone to bizarre bouts of slapstick, but it’s about the least malicious brand of behavior there is in the NFL.
That’s just it, though. It wasn’t after a sack or a touchdown, or really much of anything good. He just did it for the hell of it without any kind of celebratory justification. Just being a dick. At least Joe Horn was celebrating a touchdown catch.
Yeah, if you hold McNabb to the prima dona whiny bitch WR standard, then sure, he’s no more of an egotistical douchebag than, say, Terrell Owens. I’ll grant that. Even you have to admit that WR antics from a QB is unusual at best. Most people would say that kind of acting out is beneath quarterbacks.
And learn to read. That’s not the one thing I hold against McNabb, that’s simply the one I could find on youtube. As I clearly stated.
EDIT: What did picking up the phone communicate? You’re not normally that dense; maybe you ODed on McNabb Kool-Aid as a child. Picking up the other team’s phone on their sideline and pretending to take a call communicates that the opponent isn’t worth your attention.
This feels good. It had been awhile since you impugned my ability to read while staking out a more and more preposterous position.
That’s what you think his plan was, huh? He scrambled for 12 yards, saw a phone and made a split second decision to show everyone that the opponent wasn’t worth his time by saying something to the coaching staff? Let’s just ballpark here - if I asked 100 other people in a random football city, how many do you suppose would give that same narrative?
Oh, and I read just fine. I said Exhibit A was the phone call, and so it was. You haven’t managed even to suggest anything else.
Is there a dispute here about whether the phone call was taunting?
Taunt: aggravation by deriding or mocking or criticizing
IMHO, by picking up the phone, McNabb’s message was, “I’m going to trespass into your space and onto your stuff because I don’t give a shit about you, I want to piss you off and disrespect you, and by the time I’m off the phone, your panties will be in a wad over it but there’s nothing you’ll be able to do about it because I’ll be gone before anyone can touch me, and if you bitch about it, you’ll come off as a whiner for complaining about something petty… so neener-neener!”
That’s a taunt and deserved 15 yards.
Players can celebrate their achievements without taunting. No problem with that.
The only debate is that the resident Eagles fans can’t bear to hear anything negative about Saint McNabb.
That’s certainly a true statement about this discussion. Gets right to the heart of it. Absolutely not the diseased rambling of a fevered and phantom-beleaguered mind. No Eagles fan has allowed for any criticism of Saint McNabb.
Were you always like this? Now I’m not sure.
It’s funny how reasonable you are in all things not Eagles, yet you lose all ability for rational thought when discussing McNabb.
I know you were always like this.
I don’t know what you want from me. He’s a good but not great quarterback, as I’ve said for years, he acts like a jackass semi-frequently, and picking up that phone was not a very good example of him frequently taunting his opponents. However, it is the only example you’ve provided. What do you want to hear?
And anyway, I’d be careful if I was you about throwing around accusations about being irrational when it comes to McNabb. I’m not going to dig up quotes but you know I could.
I don’t think he even said anything. I’m not sure there was any decision made there. He was kinda like a little kid. Ooh shiny!
Well whatever debate was going on here, you just clearly lost. Oof, what embarrassing nonsense. And coming not even a full page after you admit to hating McNabb (for, apparently now, no real reason). Wait, didn’t this topic come up because a “resident Eagles fan” said McNabb needed to be traded because he probably couldn’t win in Philadelphia?
I guess that’s what I get for bringing up McNabb in a thread with irrational Giants fans.
Of the past 4 Super Bowl winners, the Cowboys have played them a total of 6 times the year they won the Super bowl and are a combined 4-2 in those games.
'06 Colts (W)
'07 Giants (W, W, L)
'08 Steelers (L)
'09 Saints (W)
Next year will be Dallas’ year!
Check your history. Jimmy Chitwood has never been able to tolerate any of my criticism of McNabb and has defended him here on the dope from me countless times. I’d estimate he’s made around 50 separate posts defending McNabb. So yeah, you guys painting it like McNabb is so put-upon by other Eagles fans that Jimmy Chitwood could never be guilty of knee-jerk defenses of the guy is a complete crock of shit.
Dude, you’ve been making hyperbolic and inevitably-demonstrably-wrong personal attacks on the guy for like six years.
Objecting to your frothing tirades calling him a coward isn’t quite the same as a knee-jerk defense. I don’t even think I ever said he was that great. It’s just that I never really got a chance to display any kind of balance on the matter because you’ve so loved making ridiculous statements about how worthless he’s always been. And then years later quietly submitting to the fact that they were wrong, I might add.