NFL Draft Thread - 2019 Edition

For virtually every pick, the GM and his group are looking for trade opportunities. When the pick comes up, they almost assuredly know who they want, but if you can move a few places down and get the same player AND another pick or two, why not use all the time you have? The draft order may have been known for weeks, but things can change literally minutes before the draft starts - the infamous bong mask video is the first that springs to mind. It’s all a chess match between 32 grandmasters. Ok, 29 grandmasters, derps Ryan Pace and Dave Gettleman, and mindreading wizard Bill Belichick.

I have a couple different jokes I thought of. Do you want the one about the risks about celebrating at halftime, or doink doink?

I put a ton of stock into immediate draft grades too. And I love it how when the Bears trade up for one of their guys (even trading against themselves), it’s good, but the Packers do it, it’s bad.

I’m not a fan of the Gary pick at all, but I do love me some Darnell Savage. It may not have been necessary to trade up to get him, but I really like him as a player. I was concerned he was just a stud in shorts, I watched some game tape and, while he over-commits too easily, he’s a difference maker and is all over the field with his speed. While I’m not a fan of the “I must have this guy”, the cost of trading up 9 spots in the 1t round wasn’t too bad, so I’m good with it. I’m excited to see an AmosSavage defensive backfield.

I think the Redskins did very well. I wasn’t expecting Haskins to make it to 15, I don’t think anyone was, but there he was and Washington was right to pounce on him.

They did end up trading up, but not for a QB, for #26 and Montez Sweat. This was a surprise but I dig it. Reminds me of Jason Taylor, but faster. This kid is a freak, and he could be really good.

I thought the same. Both picks were good. I think I like Haskins more than Murray actually. He seems like a well-rounded QB.

Wow, I’d be hard pressed to disagree more. I think Haskins benefited greatly by extremely talented players around him and is a very good college QB. He also has the build and arm strength NFL coaches covet. But I seriously question his abilities when under pressure or forced to move off his spot (His passer rating drops by almost half from 135.4 to only 73.2, when pressured). Add in concerns about him only starting one year, the adjustments necessary going from college to the pros (not everyone is Patrick Mahomes), and the lack of talent around him (the Redskins have a very average offensive line and Jordan Reed is their only above average pass catcher), and I do not see good things in his future. I would have taken him as a developmental player in the third round, but at #15 and putting him in charge of a … not great … franchise will be a huge problem.

I’m also not a fan of Sweat, and while 26 isn’t absolutely horrible (like Gary at #12 is), the trade up to get him concerns me. I think Sweat will be an average NFL DE, but nothing special.

Which is fine by me, because Daniel Snyder (note: Not Washington Professional Football Team’s fans) deserves to languish in NFL hell forever.

You’re entitled to your opinion, of course. And believe me I, and most Redskins fans, are no fans of Daniel Snyder, but there’s nothing we can do about that.

No QB prospect is a guarantee, not even Lucks or Mannings. Unlike a lot of people I didn’t think they HAD to get a QB this draft; they’re going to be bad next season no matter who they drafted. If I were in charge I’d take whatever I get out of Keenum and McCoy and get a QB next year. But if the team was dead-set on getting a QB right now, and they were, I think they did as well as they possibly could have. He’s not perfect, but he’s already the QB on the team with the highest ceiling. We know what Keenum and McCoy are, and star, or even starting QBs they are not.

Trust me, with this team, we gotta take any positives we can get. I have no doubt whatsoever they will do no better than 8-8 next season, more likely closer to 6-10, and it will be the defense that wins them most of those games. Frankly I’d love to be able to break up with the Redskins, but I grew up in the 80s when they were great, so I can’t help it. :wink:

I don’t know what to think about Haskins.

This opinion article is harshly critical
https://thefandc.radio.com/articles/redskins-pick-dwayne-haskins-and-marketing-over-needTo

And it’s true that there is a difference between making money and having success in the NFL for a franchise. No one is buying season tickets to see Colt McCoy or Case Keenum. This pick isn’t an RGIII draft pick killer either.

It still would have probably been best to wait a year at QB and roll out a series of backups for the season.

Corrected my link from above

I’ve seen a lot of experts who really liked the Washington draft, including PFF and WaPo, so take my opinion for what its worth. I dislike the situation Haskins will be coming into (lack of great Oline, not much as pass catchers, an owner who will want him starting well before I think he’ll be ready, and a coach who may not be on board with his selection) than I dislike Haskins. Give him a year (or two) to adjust, like Mahomes got, and he may very well be a very good NFL QB. But I don’t think it’s likely to happen to him in Washington.

Fair enough. And believe me, I’m as skeptical about this team’s ability to develop, or even adequately protect any QB as anyone (injuries played a large part, but still you don’t lose TWO quarterbacks to broken legs because you have a stellar O-line). You wouldn’t believe the idiotic arguments I get into on the WaPo site with Redskins fans who just don’t live in reality.

I think Patrick Ramsey could have been a better player than he ended up being because he got blown up every other snap. I think Jason Campbell could have been an above average player but he was similarly ruined by this team. And we all know what happened to RG3.

So no, confidence is not high. This is a team that’s not had a true “franchise QB” since what, Theismann? Jurgensen? I wasn’t even alive when Jurgensen was playing!

Or maybe he’s truly a special player and he will perform better than his situation. We shall see.

and that’s how the Patriots were for years and will be once again Brady and Belichick retire …

Welp…he’s a Bengal.

I am loving the Chargers draft. Waiting for talent to fall for them and getting great value and good players. Tillery and Adderly will be solid players for them.

Yeah, that secondary could be something else. Knock on wood.

The Bears traded up to grab their Jordan Howard replacement. And the kid they took reads a lot like … Jordan Howard. Big strong and a little bit slow.

Not a fan of trading up for a RB in general or for a position of need that isn’t a QB. That said, they almost certainly were going to miss out on the RB run there.

Hopefully this kid is a better fit for the running scheme and on paper he’s way shiftier than Howard. He also seems to be a bit more likely to shed the initial contact which Howard struggled with a bit. I worry he’s got a lot of miles on his body already. If he’s a stud obviously it’s a great get, but I’d have preferred to sit back and wait for the draft to come to us this year.

Shows what I know…

Well, with the trade up for Darnell Savage, the Packers don’t have any picks in this fourth round, so I’m not overly invested for awhile. I’m sad to see Bryce and Julian Love off the board (it was a Love Run. You know, like a RB run or a QB run. Get it? It’s funny because they’re both named Love. Awww, forget it.) and Amani Hooker, who would have added needed depth in the defensive backfield. I’m hoping the Packers can get either Te’von Coney or Mack Wilson with their next pick; they really need some help with their linebacking crew and Coney has some nice coverage skills.

I think the Bengals did great to pick Findley, who likely wont be a stud, but draft a QB every year and work on their development.

And I can’t believe I missed the obvious Love/Love/Hooker connection in my last post. I’m slipping.

And how did I miss Demarcus Christmas for my list of names. I’m really slipping.

The draft is over, time for a quick reaction post for the Bears.

First some context. As I said in the OP, this is a stacked team. Teams like this often have the luxury of going strictly for BPA and often trade up to get guys they think can slot in immediately to get them over the top. I’d say the Bears fit that description, not sure how I feel about it as a tactic. If I was more sold on Trubisky I’d be more game on going all in, but I get it.

One stat that popped up on ESPN today, no GM has drafted more Pro Bowlers than Pace since he took the job. So safe to say the guy is beyond reproach when it comes to evaluating talent. If I had a criticism it would be that he’s hyper-aggressive, constantly trading up to target guys. They tend to be good, often really good, but it’s pricey. Yet the team is stacked…so what can you say. But, if Trubisky turns into a $25-30M a year QB that approach will need to change.

All that is preamble to the outcomes for this draft. Obviously we were without a 1st and 6th due to the Mack trade (thumbs up) and a 2nd due to trading up to get Anthony Miller (thumbs up). They entered the Draft with 5 picks. Their own picks in the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th and a 7th they got from Philly last off season. During the Draft they traded up again, spending that 5th and a 4th next year while adding another 6th this year to balance the scales.

Let’s look at the picks. Keep in mind that I didn’t do a ton of homework on the players so I’ll mostly be trying to get into Pace’s head here, I don’t have much of an opinion on which of these guys are likely to hit or bust.

3.9 (73) David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State
Pace leaps up from 87 to get him; looking to fill the hole left in Jordan Howard’s wake. Did we need to trade up to get him? I’d say yes, we did. 3 RBs come off the board between 70 and 74 and the Pats, who were in this spot originally took another RB at 87. He was the 4th RB off the board and on most lists he was 3rd or 4th rated, so assuming Pace sees him as a bell cow the move makes sense.

Will this guy be a clear upgrade over Jordan Howard? I certainly hope so, otherwise this was really dumb. On paper he looks like he has the potential to be dynamite in our scheme but he also has a lot of miles on his tires for a rookie. The draft profiles are really favorable for the guy with comparisons to Kareem hunt (on the field) and tremendous vision and elusiveness if not game breaking speed. Should be a much better fit than Howard at least.

It feels like Pace made up his mind to get an impact RB in this draft come hell or high water. I dislike that kind of myopic approach on principle and we may end up looking back and wishing we’d have sat tight and grabbed an EDGE or OL at our original spot. Seems like EDGE was pretty well picked over at that point but there were OLs who might have made an impact here. All in all I hate that we had to trade up but I do think this will end up as another “win” in the draft for Pace.

4.24 (126) Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia
Calvin Ridley’s brother if you haven’t heard. Ironic since I was really against drafting Ridley last year when everyone and their brother was mocking him to the Bears, and now we’ve got the little brother.

This feels like a true BPA pick for Pace. WR wasn’t a top need for the Bears and Ridley’s former teammate Javon Wims might end up fighting him for a roster spot. He must have been right at the top of his board. Pace LOVES drafting Georgia players which is the kind of thing that makes me scratch my head, like does his SEC just love it in Athens or something? Whether Ridley is actually the BPA here time will tell.

According to the draft profiles describe him like a poor-man’s version of his brother. Very technically sound, good route runner, good ball skills, good hands but doesn’t really pop when you look at his workouts and physical traits. He was often listed as a possible 2nd or 3rd rounder in spite of pretty light production as a one year starter. NFL.com has him as the 7th ranked WR. If he can be a reliable possession guy opposite AR17 that’s a big win. I wouldn’t call him a “developmental” guy so the expectation will be to make an immediate impact.

6.33 (205) Duke Shelly, CB, Kansas State
Honestly, this one is a head scratcher. We need depth at DB for sure, but this guy wasn’t really on anyone’s board. In the 6th round that’s not really that unusual but I don’t love the physical traits, he’s fast but is just 5.9/170 with short arms and small hands. Generally I want a bigger DB who can stand a guy up at the line, but hopefully Pagano has a plan here. Due to his size he’s probably projected as a Nickel and it would be great if he wins the job from Skrine.

One possible wildcard here is that this kid missed most of his senior year with a injury. Maybe Pace sees a guy that would have been a highly rated guy had he stayed on the field. That’s probably a bit of a stretch though. In the late rounds it’s always a crap shoot, but I have to wonder if this guy would have been available as a UDFA considering the injury. You can never have enough DBs so let’s hope he’s at least a star on special teams.

7.8 (222) Kerrith Whyte, RB, Florida Atlantic
Another burner. Speed kills so this guy could be an interesting addition but I have to hope this is just another pure BPA choice. We certainly didn’t need to take 2 RBs in this draft and I’ll be shocked if both end up making the squad. Perhaps he fits in as the primary KR/PR which would be a justification for the pick, essentially filling in the Benny Cunningham role.

It’s the 7th round and finding a sub-4.4 40 guy here should be considered a win and since this kid has pretty light usage he could be a early contributor, but I’m frankly shocked that we didn’t address either the OL or EDGE before we grabbed a likely core ST guy.

7.24 (238) Stephen Denmark, CB, Valdosta State
We love our small-school guys in Chicago so that at least makes this guy intriguing. Also intriguing are his measurables. He’s 180 degrees from Shelley at 6.3" and 220 while still posting a 4.46 40. He’s an absolute physical freak (ignore that DK Metcalf-esque 3 cone though). But, and it’s a biggie, he has no real skills at CB. He’s a converted WR who only has been playing defense for a season, and that’s a season in DII no less. When you put up bad tape against that competition it’s a pretty serious red flag. They won the DII national title though, so go figure.

I think it’s easy to see what Pace is thinking here though. The kid is a project and will need a lot of seasoning on the PS, but Pagano is supposedly a DB guru and if he can polish this guy up he could be useful depth in a couple seasons. At the very least he should be a dominant special teams guy. Will be interesting to see if they try keeping him at CB or if they try and groom him into a Safety where his size might be a little more typical and where his former WR skills might be more useful. The kid is a lottery ticket, which is about the best way to spend your 7th rounders in my mind.

So to recap, the Bears key needs were RB, EDGE and K. 1 out of 3 is…okay I guess.

Will be interesting to see if any interesting UDFAs come to town in the next couple days.