Well, I can guarantee you there’s never been so much rage for resigning a first year starting QB who made the pro bowl, nearly broke team records for TDs, and is 24 years old… especially from a fanbase who haven’t seen good quarterbacking in 20 years.
They were so sure he was gone it was fun to hate on him, I guess. I wonder what they do now, grind their teeth for a few years or soften up?
Or “stop whining”. That’s always good too.
Were Browns fans ripping him?
I’d take him for my team in a heartbeat.
Yeah, before the Cinci game there was a sizable minority of “Quinn can do no wrong, Anderson sucks” people, but after the Cinci game it seemingly went from 20% of people to 80%.
Anderson is disliked by most, hated by a sizable minority, and there’s a big meltdown that we resigned him.
That may not represent the average fan - this is among the relatively more hardcore fans of theobr.com message board I hang out on.
Anderson has some huge flaws. He started out strong and got worse as the year wore on which I admit is worrisome. Quinn has also looked absolutely excellent in very limited playing time. So I can see why one would prefer Quinn. What I can’t see is absolute hatred for a guy who went 10-5 and very nearly 11-4 as a first year starter on a team with a bottom 5 defense.
I do think Anderson is overpaid substantially, though. But I’m not going to melt down about it and throw hate beams the guys way and try to destroy team chemistry by being part of the angry mob that hates the potential leader of our team.
I will add that I wanted a legitimate QB competition in training camp next year. Will there be now? Probably not. I can’t imagine the team will have an 8 million dollar a year backup unless he’s clearly massively outperformed.
I’d rather have tendered DA with the highest tender. If someone signs him and gives a first and third, that’s fine. If not, we have a legit QB competition, if DA wins and does well, we can either resign him or franchise him next year.
Maybe I didn’t watch enough of the Brows, which is completely possible, but I’m not getting the hate.
You guys knew Joey Harrington sucked when he was on the Lions, right?
That… that’s a joke… right?
He looked quite good in the preseason, I suppose, but if you’re willing to bet the farm on him based on a couple of preseason games, I have a bridge over here I think you’ll love…
Here are Derek Anderson’s stats for last season:
Comp 298 Att 527 % 56.5 Yards 3,787 Avg. 7.2 TD 29 Int 19 Rating 82.5
And by way of comparison, Carson Palmer’s first year as the starter:
Comp 263 Att 432 % 60.9 Yards 2897 Avg. 6.71 TD 18 Int 18 Rating 77.3
Or Ben Roethlisberger’s rookie season:
Comp 196 Att 295 % 66.4 Yards 2,621 Avg. 8.9 TD 17 Int 11 Rating 98.1
And the first-year stats of another quarterback who’s done pretty well for himself, and may be the best comparison given where Anderson was drafted*:
Comp 264 Att 413 % 63.9 Yards 2,843 Avg. 6.9 TD 18 Int 12 Rating 86.5
Aside from his completion percentage, Anderson’s stats are comparable to or better than all of them.
Were I a Browns fan, I’d be thanking every possible deity in sight that Phil Savage traded away Charlie Frye instead of Anderson.
*Tom Fucking Brady - drafted in Round 7, Anderson drafted in Round 6.
As much as I’m still laughing at him for blowing what would have been the game-sealing INT in the Super Bowl, I’m not happy that my Giants will now have to contend with Asante Samuel twice each season.
Is it too much to hope that Philly continues to be the place where talented players go to become washed up?
Nope.
I’m not willing to bet the farm on him for that - that’s why I liked the idea of retaining both quarterbacks unless substantial value was offered in trade.
Of course 8 regular season passes aren’t enough to judge him by - although I will say this, two of those passes hit receivers once in the chest and once in the hands, and one of those would’ve been a touchdown pass, so stats of (guessing, based on memory) 5/8 75 yards 1 td would’ve looked better.
His first two preseason games were against third and fourth stringers, true, but he made the right decisions, looked nearly perfect, and still made some remarkable throws. The first and second team offenses with Frye and Anderson looked completely inept, whereas when Quinn was in there everything came alive and looked efficient.
In the third preseason game, the most “realistic” one so to speak, Quinn played against Denver’s first stringers and played remarkably well. He made 3 absolutely beautiful passes and none were bad. There was a 38 (IIRC) yard touchdown that was called out of bounds but really wasn’t. They didn’t challenge it because (I suspect) Romeo had no intention of the holdout kid coming in and starting - he’s notoriously slow to give rookies playing time on offense - and he didn’t want him to look that good. His stats for that game, if you include that TD pass, were something like 9/13 140 yards 2 TDs or something.
People overplay how useless the preseason is. They act like you can take nothing from it. I agree that you shouldn’t try to read whether or not you won or lost a game as meaningful, but there’s some meaning to be found in how your players play… otherwise why would they have the preseason at all?
We also get lots of reports from training camp on the message board - a lot of it very knowledgable from people who know football well from coaching it at some level or other knowledgable people.
IMO, they should’ve signed Anderson to the tender. This 3 year big contract negatively impacts a legitimate QB competition. I think Quinn will ultimately end up being the best QB, but unlike the rest of the world apparently, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to have too much talent at QB.
I think it’s mostly to assess effort and raw ability.
The main thing to keep in mind is that nobody wants to show their hand, so the defenses play as vanilla as it gets. Preseason games may as well adopt the probowl rules for defense, since nobody runs anything more sophisticated than that anyway.
You have a point, but it gets more complex and realistic than pro bowl rules. Especially for teams that are installing a new system with a new coach - their plays on that side of the ball tend to be drawn from a real playbook because they need to practice it. They won’t use every trick in the book, of course, but you’ll often see real, legitimate plays being called.
The contract confuses me. If you’re convinced he’s your future, sign him to 6+ years. If you want to keep him around for a while because you’re not sure, either tender him or offer him a cheap 3 year deal.
An expensive 3 year deal is odd.
Madieu is a quality pass defender. His run suport is suspect.
Did Maddieu only get a 4 year contract? I remember he was drafted a few spots before Sean Jones who is still under contract this year.
Browns are apparently pretty active. Here’s the latest rumor:
To which I have to say… no. Nooooooo. No. No no. No.
Edit:
Maybe not the worst thing ever. I don’t watch the Lions much. I only hear that Rogers is one of those “great athletic talent, occasionally motivated” guys and I hate them. I’d rather have the lesser talent that gives it his all every play.
That said, Leigh Bodden had one of the best, if not the best, seasons by a corner I’ve seen back in 2005. But since then it’s been nagging injury after nagging injury and he hasn’t played well.
Still, I don’t like the sound of this.
Not happy that the Giants lost both Kawika Mitchell and Gibril Wilson. There are now officially some gaping holes in the defense.
This is the first comment that appears on ESPN’s page announcing the trade:
Yeah, right. You do remember Boller ain’t exactly a young gun: in his second year, he had a Ravens O-line that wasn’t collecting AARP. I think they might have even been considered the best O-line in the league at the time. And Todd Heap, Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton weren’t terrible passing options for him.
I’m not entirely sold on DA (even before the Cincinnatti stinker), but he’s a hell of a lot better option than Boller.
Shaun Rogers to…my Bengals for their 3rd and 5th rounders!
Yay!
Actually, I think that deal fell through and he ended up going to Cleveland for Leigh Bodden and a 3rd rounder.
Looks like Cleveland is retooling their entire defense. And it needs it.
I don’t get it. Shaun Smith looked pretty decent at NT and Ethan Kelley is good depth if he can stay healthy. I really hate “talented but takes plays off” players.