NFL: Stand for the anthem or stay in the locker room.

You must have me confused with another poster – which may be understandable as I took so long to respond – since I’m pretty darn sure I never said “they are entirely responsible for all of the ills that befall them”.

Ah yes, appears that I may have. My apologies.

A poll shows that NFL fans support the new policy solidly:

Interesting note: Latinos have a +30 level of support over oppose, while whites are only +20. Are Latinos more patriotic than whites, or less concerned about being perceived as racist?

As for the policy itself, it’s almost certainly illegal. But it doesn’t really matter. It’s owners doing virtue signalling to protect their business. If you don’t like NFL players protesting, there’s an easy solution: ignore them. This is the very definition of a problem that goes away when ignored. Making a big deal out of it is what fueied it in the first place. If the nation had collectively shrugged when Kaepernick took a knee and said, “He has a right to his opinion” then we’d be a much less divided country now.

Unfortunately, most of it is Trump driven. He’s the one who riled up his base and made a huge issue about it.

Or the sample size for Latinos is small enough that the margin of error for that subset is massive.

That would be the easy answer, wouldn’t it? :slight_smile:

Are you guys still on about this? You can’t stifle protest. Doesn’t work. Get over it.

NFL has a lot of rules, that players are not only expected to, but required to obey.
Stuff like:
Players must show up on game day, no unannounced absences.
Wear the correct uniform. no casual fridays here!
Only a certain number of players on the field. You cannot invite your friends along.
Stand when the anthem is playing.
Stop playing when the game is over.
Try to minimize actual killing on the field, but a bit of mayhem is good for business.
Listen to the referee. Or at least pretend to.

See the pattern?

No, not really. What pattern do you see?

For another piece of evidence that there is legitimate reason many black Americans don’t trust the justice system:

Justices give black defendants longer sentences, by 4.8 months on average, than non-black defendants with the same crime. There’s an even bigger disparity for Republican justices, but that overall disparity, for all justices and defendants on average, demonstrates that black people receive harsher treatment by the justice system for the same crimes.

That’s misleading since the absolute level of support for whites is higher, or about the same, as “Hispanics”. They don’t use the term “Latino”, which is often the same thing but not always.

Emphasis added

First off, there’s that “self selecting sample” thingy. Then, the contrast between “self-described” fans and well, the rest of us. Maybe this tells us something important, but I’m thinking probably not.

Heck, black men learn not to trust authority in elementary school, if not earlier. Teachers are much more likely to give white boys a pass (boys will be boys) and brand black boys troublemakers. By the time they hit the court systems, a black boy is likely to have a disciplinary record from school that wouldn’t even appear for a white boy who had done the same behavior. (Its a right of passage to get drunk under the bleachers for a white boy, or sexually assault a girl…)

Then, of course, kids live up to your expectations for them. If we expect white boys to grow out of the behavior and tell black boys that they are bad - we get what we ask for (although arguably, white boys don’t grow out of the behavior, they just learn what they can get away with)

Gosh, wow. 52% support, barely over half, from white fans.

I can see where some people believe this is overwhelming support. :rolleyes:

I wonder how many of those that complain about CK still wear their MAGA baseball caps during the anthem.

How does that work for people protesting the protest?

It’s not illegal or even a little bit unusual to insist your employees refrain from insulting the customer. the league has done just that and the players need to get over it.

A lot of people take issue with the idea that kneeling is insulting.

Kneeling as always been seen as a sign of respect.

That’s an argument which ignores one of the most basic facts of how human communication works. No act of human communication is divorced from context. Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss. I could say “Chimera is the poster I most admire on this MB”, and depending on the context it might mean 2 completely opposite things. Kneeling when asked to stand is not a sign of respect.

Neither is sitting, talking to others, going to the can, buying a beer and a myriad of other actions taking during ball games. The difference is that kneeling is shown as a sign of respect otherwise while those other actions are not. This supposed “disrespect” was a an idea heavily pushed by right-wing media, and post like yours that totally ignore this push I just cannot understand. If you want to bring up context, then bring up all the context.