on the bills…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d804a3669&template=without-video&confirm=true
:eek: Who performed the curse against this team?
I’d say I want the same performed for a 49er rival, but I don’t want to be so cruel.
Does anyone know of any good forums or other good resources for sports betting?
Right now I’m mostly using wagerline.com and covers.com and they’re very good, but a message board would be good too.
He is listed as the back up for E. Green. Who along with A.Wilson have been moved to IR. There was talk of moving A. Rolle to a starting position, yet it has not been determined yet, since he is doing exceptionally well in the dime and nickle packages.
I have not heard enough to know where anyone will be in the secondary. A. Francisco is also going to be out for Sunday’s game as well it seems.
Osip
Rams win easily.
Cin/Pit O/U moved fast. From 47 to 40 in a few days. I guess they underestimated the public’s perception of Pittsburgh’s crappy field. Or maybe the weather reports were clearer as time went on.
I’m tempted to go with the deflated over, but with the weather report saying light rain turning into showers, maybe not. I do like Cinci +7 if the field is going to be total garbage again.
Some stats for the Ari/Cle over.
-the total has gone over in 10 of clevelands last 11 games
-the total has gone over in 5 of clevelands last 5 on the road
-the total has gone over in 4 of cards last 5 games
-the total has gone over in 5 of cards last 7 games at home
-browns offense is ranked 3rd overall, and cards offense is ranked 3rd in the nfl @ home.
-arizonas defense is ranked 24th in the league, while clevelands is ranked 32nd.
Add Arizona’s defensive injuries on top of that, and you’ve got a nice bet on the over. Fitzgerald’s injury is concerning for the over (although not for the win, me being a fan and all), but I put a sizable parlay on Cle +1/Over 51.5.
[…sigh…] It’s always depressing to see these OPs, despite that they are well conceived and thoughtfully composed. I don’t know why the Panthers don’t just go ahead and shoot themselves, and get it over with. I cannot for the life of me fathom how or why Jerry Richardson, of all people, puts up with such mediocrity. He makes the best gravy biscuit in the whole world (no easy feat). Why can’t he put together a fucking football team?
My book changed the line to NE -19, which means people are betting on Baltimore. I hope I got that one right and the rest of the public is wrong, because I put it in about half of my parlays. It sucks when you make a bunch of bets on a game, and then the line moves in your favor afterwards.
Well, Cleveland really screwed that up today. The worst part wasn’t even the turnovers, but the penalties. Crucial infractions during at least three key moments. There was the kicked ball delay of game on Bodden (or was it Pool?) that extended the Cards’ first possession, which would have been a three-and-out. Then the two boneheaded personal fouls near the end, the first on Pool after a long catch at the CLE 35, and the last, most costly foul on the kick return, putting us back inside our own 20. The Cards had their own problems today. That must have been three or four false starts, and they were playing at home.
In the end, it all came down to a ref’s judgment call. In my biased opinion, Winslow caught the ball with his feet in bounds, in the air, headed straight toward the back. If he went untouched, I think he would have come down in bounds. I was hoping for the refs to have a Baltimore-esque “discussion” after heading over to the replay booth.
Can someone explain how that call on the Braylon Edwards TD wasn’t reversed? The defender clearly made contact with him as he ran by.
Is anyone up to date on the Pittsburgh weather situation? Has it been raining all day? Any reports of field conditions?
Interference calls (or non-calls) are not reversible.
The dispute was over whether or not Edwards was down by contact after the catch. He caught the ball, appeared to have been touched on the leg while falling the the ground, and, after hitting the ground, he rolled to his feet and ran into the end zone. I thought it was pretty clear that the defender made contact (as did Dan Dierdorf), so I was just wondering if there was perhaps a rule I don’t know about that affected the ref’s decision.
Wow. I was at the Vikings/Lions game. The Vikings are peaking at the right time. Even though the Lions are a division rival, the Vikings let up on them, for some odd reason, in the fourth quarter. But even with their third stringers working the fourth, they didn’t let up. Something has clicked with that team. This isn’t the team the Packers trounced three weeks ago. The only question is, can they keep it up?
But they were scoring at will. And the coaching has finally reached a level of comfort that trick plays actually are called at the right time. They will be a wild card.
Seemed like Braylon was down to me. However, the defender didn’t really cause him to go down, he brushed him on the way down. I don’t know if that’s relevant to the ruling.
Ok, I don’t like the force out rule. But it’s a rule. I realize the Browns benefited from a similar situation last year against the Jets, and I’m sure Jets fans were pissed, just as I’m pissed now. The referees reviewed the play for no reason… they took a lot of time to make a decision because they realized the correct decision was to award Cleveland the touchdown, but they were unable to make that ruling so they probably checked with the league office to make sure they were making the right call.
Winslow cleanly caught the ball, and clearly was going to be in bounds. He got nailed by a defender pushing him towards the sideline which totally changed the direction his body was travelling and was pretty much the very definition of a force out. Officiating should be even across the board - no homer calls, no refusing to call penalties in the last minutes of a game, etc. The Browns got jobbed (and so did I - the loss bothers me more, but I had some parlays with Browns/Over which would’ve hit for a decent bit of money). Not that they played great, but had the rules been properly enforced they win this game in a remarkable comeback which sends Kellen Winslow to the pro bowl and, after a first and goal and the 3 defensive stand, energizes the team for a playoff run. Instead, a chickenshit ref made a bad call to please the home crowd and the Browns are tied for the 6th seed in the AFC instead of a game ahead.
What the blazes was up with Joe Gibbs, getting himself flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for back-to-back time outs?!?! I coulda sworn he was better than making stupid mistakes like that.
Well that was weird. Heith Miller catches the ball by the sideline, gets one foot in but is driven out by the defender before he could get the other foot down. Somehow they called it a catch, saying something about a … four pout? morse gout? something like that. Is that a rule or something?
To continue a rant, I’d like to see the force out rule removed completely to remove the ambiguity of the situation. There’s no reason that situation has to be a judgement call. The offense should have the obligation to conclusively make a catch and put it in bounds. You put up a floater to the sideline that your receiver has to jump for? Too bad if he gets pushed out, that’s good defense. Next time work on performing a route you can land in bounds.
Too often it’s called inconsistently, and it can be a game changer. But not only that, the ref responsible for it often isn’t looking for it - he’s usually watching where the feet land. Overall the rule doesn’t really benefit the game in any way - it ups the level of control judgement calls have on the game for no reason. Just get rid of it. If the receiver lands both feet in bounds, it’s a catch. If he doesn’t, it’s not.
But, so long as it is in the rulebook, it should be enforced. The Heath Miller force out was almost identical to the Winslow force out. The critical one that decided the game was miscalled, and the relatively unimportant one in the middle of a game got called correctly. Shitty deal.
“Force out” assuming I’m not being wooshed here…
the rule is, if the defender was most likely going to come down inbounds but the defender pushed them out of bounds while still in the air, they rule it as a good catch.
Yeah, but imagine the shitty deal you would have if: someone catches a pass at midfield but some strong cornerback catches the player while they’re jumping for the catch and literally carries them out of bounds. According to the rules (if you eliminate the force out rule) then it was an incomplete pass. How fucked up would THAT be?
It would be the offense’s obligation not to put themselves in that sort of position… the sort of thing you describe doesn’t come up very often, and it’d be a smaller issue than the follies of the rules as they currently exist.
Besides, if one of those 5’8 175 receivers ended up getting carried out of bounds by some 6’5 260 pound linebacker while kicking and screaming, are you telling me that wouldn’t be pure awesome?