I’m glad we could help out. :smack:
Will Joe Willie be around to see another Jets championship?
Don’t whine.
They’re playing a backup. Once Foles went down, I pegged them for 10-6 and a wildcard. Anything more than that is gravy.
I’m kind of bummed that the Giants lost to the Colts earlier this season. With yesterday’s win over the Titans, Eli has beaten every other team in the league except the Colts and the Chargers. It would feel much more satisfyingly poetic if the Chargers were the only team in the league he never beat.
Pettine will supposedly be addressing the QB situation this afternoon. Watching that game unravel yesterday was a hair-pulling, vomit-inducing experience. I can’t say Johnny would have saved the day, but Hoyer has just been terrible.
The thing about the Kruger penalty, I can see how they make that call live. Replay shows he definitely pushed Luck with his hands, but I can see how live it looked like he lowered his helmet into Luck’s chin.
The Colts are pretty poetic too, being the legacy of his much better older brother.
Much better? Who has twice as many pretty championship rings? Who has thrown 4 times as many picks in the SB? Which one has two SB pick-6s?
sheesh, enough with the Peyton-love, already
I liked how the Rams trolled the 'Skins by have Jenkins, Brockers, Ogletree, Bailey, Robinson and Stacy at midfield for the coin toss. All the starters they got out of the RGIII trade. 
Eli’s teams have been more successful than Peyton’s in Super Bowls. Peyton’s been better than Eli by every other measure of a quarterback’s performance*. I’d say “much better” is pretty accurate.
ETA: *Except yards per completion - Eli’s career average is 12.0, while Peyton’s is 11.7. In literally every other QB metric on profootballreference.com, Peyton is ahead of Eli
Well, no, not “every” other metric. Eli has a better playoff record (8-3 vs 11-12), more playoff comebacks (4 vs 1), and more playoff game winning drives (5 vs 1). Plus the aforementioned more Superbowl wins, but that’s not one of the metrics on the linked pages.
And if you compare the Superbowl stats, also listed on the site, then Eli surpasses Peyton.
It’s tough to find, but if you go to Splits and scroll down you can see their total playoff stats. Eli just barely edges out Peyton in passer rating in the playoffs, 89.3 to 89.2.
I feel kind of bad for Wes, who has been to the big one three times without getting a pretty ring.
I’ll give you the Super Bowl stats and post-season passer rating, as well as the playoff comebacks and game winning drives. But I have a hard time calling an 8-3 playoff record better than 11-12. Most playoff runs end in a loss - is it better to make the postseason 5 times or 13 (and counting)? I’m not sure how many people would buy that, so consider me corrected.
I’d still take Peyton over Eli as QB, but Coughlin’s NYG teams were always better equipped for the postseason than Peyton’s Colts or last year’s Broncos. Defense might not be the only way to a championship, but neglecting it completely isn’t the way to go.
Anyone who disagrees with this sentiment has lost any football credibility with me.
wow, 37 points? does GB have a D?
One thing I really like about Eli is that he’s turned around a classic Berman-ism dig that always bugged me, because it was true: “Former Giant, now good…” He used to say it all the time about Tyrone Wheatley, but there were many others.
The clear implication, and the reality of the situation, was that the Giants were unable to get production out of guys who could clearly play. So it’s nice to finally see that in reverse, where the Giants can make stars out of guys that may not be so great on other teams with other quarterbacks. Hakeem Nicks this year with the Colts, and Steve Smith a few years ago with the Eagles are the two biggest examples, and I like being able to tell myself that it was Eli who elevated their play to make them into stars.
The Falcons definitely don’t :mad:
Ditto. It’s no insult to Eli to say he isn’t one of the ten best all-time. Peyton obviously is.
One simple way to account for this is to count “advancements” and “eliminations” rather than playoff games specifically. So for example, two years ago Denver had a bye and then lost to Baltimore - that counts as a 2-1 record, since they advanced from the regular season and the first round and then lost.
This seems like a more correct way to look at things, at least to me, since reaching the playoffs and losing should rank higher than not reaching them at all.
I think a wildcard team winning the first game, advancing to the divisional round and losing is much better than a team with a first round bye getting knocked out in their first game. So I wouldn’t consider them both to be 2-1.
I also wouldn’t give them a win just for making the postseason; the lack of games for teams that didn’t makes that clear enough. For example, Buffalo’s 0-4 Superbowl record is clearly better than Houston’s 0-0.
But even given those objections, Eli’s record would inflate to 14-3. What would Peyton end up at?
Note: A more fair comparison would be to compare their first 10 seasons, since Eli has only finished 10 seasons.
In his first 10 seasons Eli was 8-3 in the playoffs with two rings. Five total appearances.
In his first 10 seasons, Peyton was 7-6 in the playoffs with one ring. Seven total appearances.
After this season:
In his first 11 seasons Eli was 8-3 in the playoffs with two rings. Five total appearances.
In his first 11 seasons, Peyton was 7-7 in the playoffs with one ring. Eight total appearances.
The Cam Newton accident caused quite a stir down here yesterday. Immediate rumors were swirling about broken legs, etc. Glad it wasn’t too serious for him, but it will be interesting to see how it affects him long-term, and if it affects the Panthers’ plans around extending him. By all accounts it’s a recoverable injury, but he’s still not 100% from his ankle surgery. For a guy that relies so much on his mobility it might be a problem. Or maybe it forces him to become a better pocket passer.