Broncos won 33-32. Scored all 33 points in the 4th quarter.
Giants need to fire that kicker.
Missing two extra point kicks in a game where your team loses by one…
Colts beat the Chargers in Los Angeles and are now 6-1.
I’ve seen QBs throw hail mary passes on a third and long (usually 20+ yards) that have been intercepted around where a punt would be returned, should they be excluded from turnovers (or punts included)
If you think that’s relevant, I don’t think you understand the discussion.
Wikipedia is backing up my opinion, which is a bit of a surprise.
In addition, the term “turnover” is often used to refer to a turnover on downs, when a team attempts to gain a first down, touchdown or field goal on a fourth down play (known as a fourth down conversion), but is unsuccessful.
Not that it’s a definitive source or anything, but I was surprised to see the idea of a missed FG being a turnover being an idea that’s already out there.
Jude McAtamney is their backup, brought up to the active roster four games ago, after they put Graham Gano on IR. He’s 6 out of 9 on XPs in the past two games, which is, obviously, not good at all.
Oof, I didn’t know it was that bad.
It sucks that after everything, kicker problems are what is holding the team back.
Oh, and punter Jamie Gillan missed an extra point, as well, in week 3 against the Chiefs; I’m guessing that he was forced into kicking duty due to Gano’s injury. So, as a team, they are now 13 out of 17 on XPs, though only today’s misses were consequential to the outcome of the game.
The Browns scored more than 17 points for the first time this century
That loss to the Broncos was painful. 2-5 is so much worse than 3-4.
Do you mean season? Because I count four such games last season alone.
The magic number for Green Bay this season in 27. Every win - 27 points scored. No more. No less. If the team could stop playing down to the level of their opponent, I’d feel much better. It feels like the McCarthy era again.
I may have exaggerated slightly. I think on the broadcast they said it’s been 13 games since the last time the Browns scored over 17.
Christian McCaffrey is good at football.
This strikes me as a thing that the statheads must have a definitive name for. It’s not a new idea, but in this era of advanced analytics, coaches and front offices are certainly tracking this as a distinct stat from fumbles+interceptions.
Perhaps the most surprising thing is that neither ESPN or the NFL have come up with catchy term for it. With how much they love to talk about Dan Campbell and all the other coaches going for it on 4th down and the fancy graphics with the “go for it “ percentages, you’d think this would be a no-brainer.
Similarly “we need to win the turnover battle” is the most trite of all coach-speak. You know they care about 4th down stops just as much as forced fumbles.
Colloquially known as the arm punt.
I have heard that term before. 
If I were running ESPN analytics I think I would update all my graphics and train my announcers and commentators to start calling offensive fumbles+interceptions “giveaways” and defensive fumbles+interceptions “takeaways”. Then I’d exclusively use “turnovers” to describe any turnover including turnovers on downs and missed FGs.
I bet that the adage about winning the turnover battle being the biggest predictor of who will win the game would become even more stark if you factored in turnovers on downs and missed FGs.
For what it’s worth, yes, technically I suppose “turnover on downs” is indeed a type of turnover, but I think 99% of the time people are referring only to fumbles and interceptions with the term. I guess field goals are a different category, because if you take a field goal on third down, you’re giving the ball to the other team even though you haven’t run out of downs. Of course that’s exceedingly rare, but I don’t even know if that really counts as a turnover. Would we think a turnover on downs was a turnover if it didn’t have the word turnover in it?
Also safeties are turnovers, don’t forget.
EDIT: Then again, you punt after a safety, which makes it non-turnover-like.
Quick thoughts on the Bears game.
We got the win. It was never really in doubt, yet it was ugly. Kind of a weird experience to be honest. The Saints are dismal and we should have trounced them at home, and at the end of the day at 12 point win isn’t a tight game. But it did not feel like an ass whipping.
Caleb played really poorly. Statistically the Saints aren’t a dominant pass defense. The weather wasn’t great, but it wasn’t remarkably bad. There isn’t really a good excuse. The pass protection wasn’t as good as last week, but it definitely wasn’t awful. The run game was great for a second week in a row, but that didn’t loosen up the play action game. He just had an off day, I really hope that’s an anomaly.
The defense was pretty damn good. Starting to get a little healthier which is great. Dennis Allen has been blitzing a lot more which has created some pressure, but also given up some big plays. We’ve started tackling a bit better and tightened up against the run. All things considered we’re trending in the right direction here, but a high powered offense still scares me.
I really wanted to see a Ben Johnson/Caleb Williams masterclass against a bottom feeder. Didn’t happen.
Next week will be a difficult test. We go on the road to face the Ravens with a returning Lamar Jackson fresh off the bye week. If Lamar isn’t limited at all we are probably in trouble. Mobile QBs give us fits. But their defense has struggled badly, will be interesting to see how they handle Caleb with 2 weeks to prepare.
Yes. Punts are a crazy important part of the game. Giving the opponent the ball without flipping the field is huge and people recognize that. That counts double if you are in FG range and surrender points to go on 4th down. Mechanically they have the exact same effect as a lost fumble, it’s not just semantics.