Safeties are scoring plays, which is maybe the only thing that differentiates it. But in the grand scheme of things they are at least as damaging as an INT or missed FG.
I think it’s also the only time you get possession right after scoring. I may be wrong though.
Three other possibilities that I can think of offhand:
- Recovering an onside kick
- Scoring as time expires in the first half, and then receiving the second-half kickoff
- Scoring to tie the game as time expires in the second half, and then receiving the kickoff to start overtime
To be fair, Rodgers suffered a devastating Achilles injury not long ago, and is in his 40s. I can understand why he’d be mad about a 300-pound teammate tackling him.
The NFL considers the Dolphins lower than the Browns because we were getting favorable reffing all game which almost never happens.
The CB we traded for from Jacksonville had an extremely impressive game. Good scheme fit maybe? He can only play man but he’s excellent at it. Got him for 3 years for trading away Newsome’s last year on his contract, great deal.
My enthusiasm for the team is completely gone, I didn’t even have a single moment of excitement or happiness even watching them wallop on a team.
You forgot the PAT (both 1 and 2 point) returned for a score. Which is the one that fits the spirit of the first example best IMHO.
I love how Flacco himself has a good grasp on his situation, though. Last year when he was with the Colts, a sidelines reporter told him that she was talking with Anthony Richardson and he thinks Flacco is pretty cool. Flacco replied with (slight paraphrasing), “his mom is like 9 days older than me; there is no way he thinks that I’m cool, but thanks!” 
I know that there are a lot of Dopers who are tired of the Chiefs and Mahomes, but this is funny.
KC was lined up 4th and 1 at their own 40 on the first play of the 2nd quarter against the Raiders. It appeared that they were trying to draw the Raiders offside, but after some motion and hard counts, Mahomes stood up and said “Fuckin it never fuckin works”, and then proceeded to snap the ball and hand it off for a first down.
Maybe it is because I don’t undestand it but if you define a turnover as an unplanned transfer of possession rather than an interception or fumble things get a bit more fluid.
- When punting a team will nearly always lose possession but there is a small chance (at a guess about 2%) that the punt reception is muffed and the punting team keep the ball, often the kicking team will try to make the ball as difficult as possible to catch in the hope that it is muffed.
- An “Arm punt” on 3rd and long has a slightly higher chance of the offensive team keeping the ball (say 10%) other wise the opposing team will get the ball well down field either from incercepting the ball or from a traditional punt if the “arm punt” is incomplete.
- On 4th down the team know they are risking losing possession (and a lot of position compared to a punt) but in the circumstances it is worth the risk. The level of risk will vary a lot, on a 4th and 20 with the ball on the half way line (for example with 10 seconds to go and the team 4 the point down) the risk is very high but the situation is desperate, but on a 4th and inches the offensive team is going for it beacause they expect to keep the ball.
facepalm And that even happened to the Packers a couple of weeks ago, too.
That said, it’s a play that’s even rarer than a safety or a successful onside kick.
I thought about a muffed punt. I’m not sure how those are categorized. When you punt or kick off, you are giving possession to the other team, so I believe if a player on the receiving team on a punt or kickoff touches the ball (making it live) but doesn’t actually grab and control it, and the kicking team gets it back, I think that’s a fumble. But I might be wrong. I haven’t looked that up.
Punts and kickoffs work slightly differently, as far as possession goes.
On a kickoff, once the ball goes 10 yards past the point where it’s kicked, the kicking team can legally recover it (but not advance it), even if the receiving team hasn’t yet touched the ball – that’s how an onside kick works. This is why you sometimes see a kickoff on which the returner gets lazy or stupid, and doesn’t grab the ball, thinking it’s going to go out of bounds or bounce into the end zone, and then a member of the kick-coverage team alertly grabs the ball and gains possession.
On a punt, once the ball has been punted, the punting team can only legally regain possession once the ball has been touched by a member of the receiving team. If the ball is just touched by a receiver, that’s a “muffed punt,” and while it can be recovered by the punting team, it can’t be advanced – and, apparently, it’s not technically considered to be a fumble, as the receiving team never established control of the ball. However, I do think it’s a turnover.
Why is this so complicated.
Right, but now with the new kickoff rules, a team has to declare that they are going to try to execute an onside kick. If they don’t, you will see the ‘new’ kickoff, where the kicker is by himself, the two return guys are back by the goal line, and the rest of the players are lined up five yards from each other.
Good point. But, even so, as I understand it, a “regular” kickoff which remains in the field of play, and isn’t touched by a member of the receiving team, can still be recovered by a member of the kick coverage team - those coverage guys can start to move the moment that the ball hits the ground, assuming that it hits the ground inside of the returning team’s 20 yard line.
Yes, that’s similar to what happened in the Steeler game a few weeks ago–the kickoff was touched by the Steeler return man, bounced into the end zone, and was recovered for a touchdown by a member of the Seattle kickoff team.
I saw this earlier somewhere where the caption was something about an Oscar for Mahomes. I’ve now watched it several times, including again with your link and it doesn’t look to me like the defense was fooled at all. It looks like they were about to blitz the fuck out of him, even after he threw his hands up and went back under center. They got the first, sure, but I just don’t think it was his acting job that did it.
Regarding turnovers, don’t forget the dreaded "re"turnover: I fumble on offense, defense recovers, defender tries to return it but fumbles himself, I recover.
The defense has kindly gifted me a fresh set of downs with that turnover of theirs.
It’s rather fortunate that the Mariners game tonight is in Toronto. The football and baseball stadia in Seattle are right next to each other, and the Seahawks and Mariners games are scheduled to overlap this evening. It wouldn’t be impossible to play both at home, I suppose, but that part of town would be pretty darn crowded.
What steps are taken to prevent this kind of thing, or to fix it when it happens? If the Mariners had the better record than their opponent, which wasn’t known until recently, they’d be hosting game 7. Of course, it wasn’t known there’d be a game 7 until uesterday. Would MLB have scheduled the series around the Seahawks game, or would the football game be shifted to another time or site (or would the bar owners in Pioneer Square have the busiest night of their livers)?
AI claims that either the NFL or MLB would stagger their start time by an hour or two so their traffic doesn’t interfere with the other. It includes a recent example:
Doesn’t sound like a particularly effective staggering to me.