Sixteen years of stalling by Congress. How much longer should people wait in limbo?
Bolded part: Are you fucking joking?
This is again a case of Obama not even listening to his OWN advice. He said pretty clearly he couldn’t do it with a stroke of the pen, and he was proven right. It’s not even clear DACA would have survived court challenges.
Deciding who is eligible to come to this country and stay, and under what conditions, is solely the province of Congress.
In the end, there will be a deal if Democrats want one. DREAM Act in exchange for better enforcement. One of the reasons DREAMERS are putting pressure on Democrats is because they know Democrats would rather have the issue. The people whose lives that political strategizing affects want Democrats to know they won’t just hold Republicans accountable if DACA is not saved. How they will hold them accountable, I’m not sure, but whatever.
Tell us, with a straight face, that the response to Obama from the Republicans, after considering their racist base, would have been something other than their reflexive “Fuck off”.
Upon what facts do you base your optimism that your party will suddenly act differently?
Better enforcement than what? Obama already had better enforcement than any president prior to him or than Trump. In fact, one of the things he was criticized for most loudly was his decision to enforce the immigration laws better, because apparently some Republicans don’t like the idea of the executive deciding how to enforce laws.
If Obama had just been nicer to the republicans, they would have done their jobs.
It is only because Obama was so mean that they were unable to perform their sworn duties.
Republicans have just been sitting around, waiting for democrats to be nice enough to them. Once the democrats bring them tea and cookies, then the republicans can get down to the business of governing the country on behalf of its citizens.
And come the end of January when they still haven’t done anything, it’ll be because lawmakers (read: Republicans) haven’t been able to reach a deal.
More E-verify, more ICE agents. We can actually remove more people who will never be legalized under any proposed reform than we are. There’s absolutely no point in allowing these particular immigrants to stay. Recent border crossers and visa overstayers will never be legallized, and of course ICE still concentrates on felons. Repeat border crossers will also never be legalized, so get them out too.
Let’s make the most of this MAGA-ful day
Since you’re illegal, we whiteys will say:
You can’t be me mine,
You shan’t be mine,
You won’t be my neighbor!
We’ll have to see how things actually shake out. Democrats are demanding an unconditional DREAM Act that doesn’t even have the requirements of the original DREAM Act, and which couldn’t even pass an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress. That sure sounds like they want it to fail.
I think the activists know best here when it comes to who they are targeting. The Democrats are just as much of a problem and have always been. They say they are on the immigrants’ side but never show any interest in immigration reform when they control both Congress and the White House. And the Democrats stand ready to refuse to vote for a deal that includes enforcement measures.
That means more funding, which means that it’s Congress’ responsibility, not the President’s. Why haven’t they already done that long ago?
For anyone operating under the misapprehension that DACA and other issues are the result of President Obama being unwilling to “seak a bipartiasan resolution in Congress,” hear it from the turtle’s mouth himself. Mitch McConnell on making Obama a ‘one term president’: “Well, that is true. That’s my single most important political goal along with every active Republican in the country.”
The GOP, had it had any interest in doing so, could have long proposed and passed immigration reform protecting the people currently under DACA that a majority of citizens agree is appropriate. But they haven’t, in this session or prior, and strictly refused so they could block every part of Obama’s agenda regardless of merit and to cater to a vocal minority of hateful xenophobic assholes and encourage the same sentiment in others. It’s less “fucking joking”than “fucking lying”.
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I’d like everyone to tone it down. I don’t believe the ‘fucking kidding’ or ‘fucking joking’ were directed at a particular poster but rather at McConnel et alia. However, I could see how it could be interpreted that way. Please throttle it down and be clearer in the targets of your ire.
One reason could be Presidents who underuse available resources because they actually don’t want to enforce the law. More agents doesn’t do any good if an administration orders them to not do their jobs.
Right now we have an administration that will use them. So more money for more agents would almost certainly be agreeable to Republicans. The fact that they would be used is precisely why Democrats oppose it. It was only a “compromise” on the understanding that the enforcement measures wouldn’t actually be implemented. That’s why Democrats kept on voting for border fences and biometric entry/exit systems. And then voted against actually funding them.
Obama used the funding he had available to do more than other presidents did. He did this by prioritizing how he used that funding so it was going where it was most needed.
Trump certainly will make use of all of the funding that he has, but given his track record, he won’t use it to enforce the law more effectively. He’ll funnel as much of it as possible into his own personal coffers and those of the people who have toadied up to him, regardless of how ineffective that leaves actual enforcement. And then he’ll say that he’s deporting ten times more illegals than the Kenyan did, and his base will eat it up and not care that he’s lying again.
Obama did a very good job in his first six years. Then he decided he didn’t want to do it anymore. Now we have a President that will and I hope he gets the resources he needs to do what he promised to do.
That’s a good one. He may or may not do it, but it won’t be because of any prior promises.
And, rather than deporting felons or other people who are harmful to society, he will use that money to follow parents to their schools or doctor’s offices to arrest and deport them there.
Actually, ICE is still focusing mainly on felons and most of the stories of ICE using “inhumane” methods have been where removing felons was involved. ICE has more than enough resources to go after more than just convicted felons though, just as police forces have enough resources to go after johns as well as killers.