NightRabbit-When did you realize, vis-a-vis other kids, that you are a piece of shit?

Well, I think if you ask most people if they think of their co-workers as “brothers,” very few people would answer “yes.” The folks that do would likely tend to be firefighters, soldiers, police officers, and other folks who work in high-risk fields where team work is critical to actual physical survival. Such people are clearly not using “brother” in the literal sense, but rather, indicating that their coworkers are of such importance to them that they have an emotional bond similar to that between brothers, and therefore, the loss of a co-worker is to them the emotional equivalent of losing a close family member. It’s possible that Wee Bairn is such an empathic soul that he would, indeed, feel the loss of any of his co-workers as keenly as that of a sibling, but I think instead that he was being deliberatly disingenous in challenging a very common and widely accepted non-literal definition of the word “brother.”

I don’t belive in the CT’s in this case- my point is given other events in US history, some by the current regime, that you are not filth or a piece of shit because you have doubts about some aspect(s) of the US govt’s official summation of the events, and if pressed, I can imagine scenarios of how the US govt. could have known of the events.

And this regime has murdered thousands in Iraq to further its ends.

Can you read for comprehension? I didn’t say you coined the term, I said you introduced it, as in the first person to use it in this thread. I then admitted and apologized when Algorithm pointed out I went a bit off topic with a post or two about it, albeit with some nudging.

And accusations of trolling- the last refuge of the defeated. Just admit you were wrong for calling NR a bitch, filth and piece of shit and be done with it! You probably think you’d lose respect if you did so, when in reality you’d gain some.

Bryan Ekers, I don’t think any of my thoeries are LIKELY, it all goes back to my only assertion here, that NR has that opinion, and should be entitled to have it, even here, without being personally insulted to that degree, and without someone trying to pretty much intimidate her from posting her opinions. Call her daft, dim, a loon, fine, but bitch, filth, piece of shit, over THIS? And I love to swear.

That’s just restating the conclusion. Have you any evidence that the invasion of Iraq was all about settling a personal vendetta?

We’ve already discussed the difference between impossible and incredible, and Bryan Ekers has reiterated the point. Asserting that something is not impossible says fuck all about whether reasonable people should give it more than a moment’s consideration.

Again, no one is asking for proof, or certainty; simply evidence, or failing that, a reasonable scenario.

Dude, you are painfully, painfully fucking ignorant on this entire topic. Stop shitting out of your mouth for your own pleasure. It’s disgusting.

Lots of people, on the scene and otherwise, knew or felt like collapse was imminent.

Like I said, an error OR anamoly. Certainly there is a fireman whose word you’ll take who can assure you that they don’t go into buildings where collapse is certain AND imminent.

I used a common term, and you nitpicked it for your own pleasure, starting the hijack. You can’t spin it any other way, much as you try.

It’s not that I don’t want to lose face. It’s that I’m not sorry.

Right. So the great fucking all-knowing Wee Bairn CANNOT be proven wrong, in the face of any amount of evidence or opinion to the contrary. I guess I’m the dumbass here because I know you’re trolling and I keep feeding you.

By the way, it’s impossible that you read that page and responded in under 2 minutes, but I guess you don’t need to read cites when you know for a fact you’re right. Right?

I am giving you the benefit that article is true and accurate and am not disputing it one bit. My response it that it was either an error (in judgment by whoever gave them the order to rush in a building about to fall) or an anomaly. Why would you rush in a building if you KNEW you’d be unable to get out, or get anyone else out?

Contrapuntal, don’t most polled Americans feel that Bush invaded Iraq as a personal vendetta? But you all are saying NR is daft partially because her view on 911 is the minority view. See the problem there? Sure there is no proof, but are you really arguing that because after all we know about Dubya, he says its not true, so we must believe him until we get concrete proof otherwise? How would you get proof as to the goings on in a persons head anyway?

Or maybe I’ll offer up a ridiculous analogy to clarify what I’m so far unable to do otherwise- I think Van Halen is superior to Van Hagar, but I can’t tell you why, don’t know anything about music or anything, all I know is when I hear Van Halen I prefer it to Van Hagar. Now because I can’t explain why to someone’s satisfaction, am I not entitled to have that opinion? NR has heard the US explanantion on 911, and just isn’t buying it- why is that worthy of a vitriolic pit thread?

And Cisco, you should realize this is not the type of argument that can be PROVEN. You can prove who won the 1975 Super Bowl, not this, or if UFO’s exist. You can only prove they do if you capture one, you can’t say they don’t exist if you haven’t caught one yet; similarly you can only prove the US did know or had involvement, no that they didn’t.

And again, where the fuck did I say that? Or are you too busy diddling your strawman to notice I asked already?

Only a goddamn idiot or troll would have posted that cite- are you taking the piss out of me?

I said fireman don’t go into buildings that are about to collapse- you say the above.

And the beginning of your cite proves MY point, not yours, genius, that they were in the building whilst they thought it was safe, and gave the order to get out when the thought it was going to fall-

**• At 9:30 am, a FDNY Chief Officer inside WTC 1 feels the building move and makes the decision that the building is no longer safe.
• At 9:49 am, NYPD helicopters provide a radio report stating that “large pieces” are falling from WTC 2.
• At 10:07 am, NYPD aviation units warn that WTC 1 may collapse.
• At 10:20 am, NYPD aviation unit reports that WTC 1 is leaning to the south. Source
FDNY Assistant Chief Joseph Callan: “Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower.” Source

Callan: “For me to make the decision to take our firefighters out of the building with civilians still in it, that was very tough for me, but I did that because I did not think the building was safe any longer, and that was just prior to 9:30.”–Source**

Need I read the rest?

Actually, I feel that way - but I’m pretty sure most Americans still think Bush invaded Iraq in retaliation for 9/11.

Hmm. Looks like I was off a bit even in 2005.

The post where you say fireman go into “complete chaos”, which they generally do not. I believe they assess a situation before entering.

This question wasn’t aimed at me, but: The answer is simple. Whether one musical group is “superior” to another is inherently a matter of opinion; it’s a question that doesn’t live in the realm of “facts” at all.

However, whether the twin towers were brought down by terrorists flying planes into them, or that the US government bombed them, is NOT a matter of opinion; it’s a question that lives squarely in the realm of fact.

To put it another way, the statement “I like Van Halen better than Van Hagar” is a statement whose truth value depends only on whether you actually believe that. If you believe it, the statement (when said by you) is true, otherwise it is not.

But the statement, “The US government was involved in bringing down the twin towers” is a statement whose truth value absolutely, positively does NOT depend on whether you actually believe that. If you believe it with all your heart and soul, it’s still totally false.

See the difference?

Y’know, I’m over here NOT insulting you, WB, inviting you to discuss the issue without rancor.

The US not actually comitting the act, yes. The US knowing it was going to happen and did nothing cannot be disproven. NR backed off the wacko conspiracy theories several pages ago and apologized.

When the fuck did “complete chaos” = “impeding collapse”? How did you get to that end of things? Is this your level of logic?

You have implied that I was an idiot for saying something I did not say. I’d like an apology, please.

Post 243 has a paragraph addressed to you, sorry for not linking your post :slight_smile:

You have conveniently left out some important words. The actual statement is that the invasion was all about a personal vendetta. As in no other reasons existed. I doubt that most polled Americans believe that, although I invite you to prove me wrong. A link to such a poll would be a good start.

This is getting tiresome. I never said that, or anything remotely like that, and I’ll thank you to show where I did, retract the statement, or stand exposed as a liar. What I said was that absent one shred of evidence, or the exposition of a plausible scenario, such an opinion is worthless. I’ve said it at least three times. Could you possibly be bothered to read my posts before you comment?

Damn it son! Try reading for comprehension. Believe Bush? What the fuck is that about? I said nothing of the sort. I said the conspiracy theories that say that he knew in advance and did nothing are incredible, as in they have no credibility. Again, for the third time. Stop putting words in my mouth.

You’re fucking with me again, right? What does that have to do with anything

The analogy fails, and not because it is ridiculous. The question of whether Bush knew in advance is a matter of fact; which band is better is a matter of* personal preference*. Apples and oranges.

You are entitled to any opinion you want. You are not entitled to have it taken seriously if it is batshit insane. You are not free from question if it is batshit insane. You are not free from ridicule if it is batshit insane.

If she had not dismissed the 184 who died at the Pentagon so cavalierly, and had not linked to truther cites, and had not continued to debate while claiming not to, and had not mealy-mouthedly hidden (as do you) behind her right to an opinion, she may not have been Pitted. But she did, and she was.