That’s because you’re a goddamned idiot, Hewey.
There is a fundamental difference between discrimination against a member of a group which you may disapprove of and refusing to serve an individual because of who they are as an individual.
Do you know who else I’d refuse to serve?
I was just going to say that. In my fictional store, LGBTQ would be welcome, but Milo Yiannopoulos would be thrown out in the blink of an eye. The Trump family (except maybe Tiffany, who I would only recognize if there were still milk cartons) would be shown the door. And I’d rig it to hit them in the ass on the way out.
Let’s be fair— probably not that black.
I do own a business in the service industry. Many of my clients are trump supporters, and most of the rest are conservatives of one sort or another. I have no problem taking their money and providing the services they ask for.
If trump himself showed up, I dunno, that’s a bit of a head scratcher, (if nothing else, I know he doesn’t have a dog) but I suppose I would provide service to him as I would to any other customer.
What I would not do is tweet it out or make it a photo op. If trump wants my services, he can pay for them, I will render them. If he wants a photo op, he can go somewhere else.
My first question is why should anyone give a shit what jessica and emma rose tweet? For any controversial opinion imaginable, it can be found expressed on social media. Are jessica and emma rose movers and shakers? Do their opinions have influence and mass appeal? Who gives a flying fuck what random people barf up on twitter? Basing an OP on this nonsense and expecting it to resonate is beyond retarded.
Remember the “controversy” over that Cheerios commercial with the little bi-racial girl a few years ago? Random trolls, who should have been ignored, posted their infantile garbage all over social media.Somehow it became a major news story. Why? Those jackoffs were nobodies with an internet connection, but we decided to give them a voice disproportionate to their influence. It’s so damn easy to get attention on social media…just be controversial. We just love feeding trolls, and thus, the trolls will always be with us.
Miller, since you are personally affected, I understand. That said, I don’t believe Trump is going to overturn same-sex marriage any more than he’s going to build that wall. But…can you give me a cite, a cite about a specific action Trump has taken as President that is harmful or detrimental to LGBTQ rights?
Why take it out on Sarris, is what I’m asking. That’s a company that has done a great deal of good for the community, and employs quite a few people. I honestly don’t see a net positive in boycotting them. Hopefully, within a year, probably less, people will have forgotten this.
Look, I voted for Hillary*. I was devastated on election night, and for quite a while afterwards. But by the time of the inauguration, I had rallied. I asked myself, what am I doing to help my country? So I started doing volunteer work. Through that, I got to know people who voted for Trump. And they are not evil racists and bigots. I have not heard anyone say “Yeah, we gotta get dem dang homersexuls!” What’s important to them is more work and increased industry. BPC, I followed your link, and I’m not denying what you said, but I’m not going to “question this entire narrative” based on one figure in a link, compared to people I’ve talked to one-on-one.
Hillary ran a half-assed campaign. It pains me to admit that, but it’s true. She never had a clear agenda. Her advisers kept telling her “That district is a tough sell, so we won’t schedule an appearance there.” She didn’t try hard enough to win over people who she needed to win over. Trump did just that, and here we are. And one way Hillary really sunk herself was saying “I’m going to put a lot of coal miners out of work.” Yes, I know what she meant: she wanted to implement clean, renewable energy, and thus create new jobs for people who were losing jobs in the coal industry. But she said it wrong, way wrong. And then she stayed away from coal country entirely, leaving the remark to stand and fester. It seemed to a lot of people that Hillary was on a pedestal, while Trump was reaching out. Maybe that’s not true, and maybe it’s not fair. But that is how elections are won.
And now that it’s been a year, I’m not convinced that we’re doomed: that Hillary would have brought us Camelot II and Trump is dragging us to hell. Can anyone see anything positive about Trump’s administration so far? Anyone remember the listening session he had about the Parkland shootings? Would Hillary have done that? She might have, but Trump did. And how about his being the first US President to meet with the leader of North Korea since there’s been a North Korea? Y’all are going to jump my shit for this, but I’m going to say it: I have the awful sneaking suspicion that by now, Hillary would have gotten us into a war with NK, just to prove she had the stones for it.
*And I’m sorry to tell you, Ms. Clinton, but my Republican, MAGA-hat-wearing husband did not stop me from voting for you. He didn’t even try to. And look, there’s another statement you had to backtrack and explain. You’re kind of a poor speaker. Maybe that’s another reason you lost.
Quite often, businesses will do things like host politicians and make other political statements in an attempt to be in the news and to sway opinions. If they want to sway opinions, they certainly can. They just can’t control which opinions get swayed in which direction.
He tried to ban trans people from the military.
His administration is promoting “conscience rights” in health care that would override people’s need for care—including in emergencies—and would allow providers to refuse to give medically necessary care to LGBTQ folks.
His administration removed LGBTQ questions from the National Survey of Older Americans Act Participants. After an outcry, they reinstated the LGB questions and refused to reinstate the TQ questions. This reduces the visibility of the older trans and queer populations, and invisible people don’t get services.
The vast majority of people who opposed gay rights, civil rights for black people, were in favor of Japanese American internment, and much more, didn’t plot and say “we gotta get dem dang homosexuals/blacks/Japs/etc.”. They were regular folks who had deeply held bigoted beliefs, despite a general personal decency that most folks tend to have when interacting with people one-on-one.
It doesn’t excuse those who opposed civil rights in the past, and it doesn’t excuse Trump supporters now.
Trump gets credit simply for allowing people to talk to him? That’s crazy, and if that’s your bar, then it’s pathetic. Yes, Trump can sometimes complete sentences and not spout racial slurs at every person of color he sees. That’s not something he should get credit for, and neither is simply allowing citizens to say things to him.
Trump hasn’t met with any leaders of North Korea. Trump spews bullshit all the time, but until he actually does anything, he doesn’t get credit for it.
He also lost because there’s so many people like you (whoever you voted for) who equate various tactical and communications mistakes of the Clinton campaign with years and years of spreading racist lies and bigoted statements and bragging about violating the consent of women (including teenage girls).
They’re not equivalent, and shame on you (and many others) for still trying to make excuses for it.
Maybe you’re a better person than I am. I’m basically done. The country is too fucked up. I will live out my last few years not giving a shit anymore. They (Trump voters) have provided me the only example I need to check out and no longer care about consequences. Some Trump voters are evil (the deplorables) the rest are extremely stupid if they thought for a second Trump would make their lives better.
On the other hand, as a rich American, my taxes will go down. So, yea for me. And bad cops will feel free to beat up more innocent black and brown people, our relationships in the world will be strained to the breaking point, and we can all be embarrassed daily by seeing such an ignorant incompetent on the tweet machine proving once again he’s a fucking asshole.
“She didn’t have the right tone of voice, so I’m going to vote for a bigoted con artist!”
Yeah, that makes a shitload of sense, doesn’t it?
FTR, these were at the forefront of my memory, but I don’t claim it’s an exhaustive list.
You’re right that he won’t overturn same-sex marriage, but that’s because he can’t. Bans on same-sex marriage were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in the Obergefell case in 2015.
But if you need to ask how the Trump administration has been in any way harmful or detrimental to LGBTQ rights then, to be quite frank, you haven’t been paying attention.
Here’s a pretty decent run-down from a New Yorker article:
That article was from October last year. Here’s a Politico article from a month ago that goes into more detail. And a December article from the gay rights group Lambda Legal.
There are reasonable arguments to be made about whether company boycotts, especially of relatively small companies like this, do more harm than good in the long run. But if you’re going to let a Republican President use your factory floor to make a political speech in support of a Republican political candidate—which was, as you noted in your OP, the specific reason for Trump’s visit to the factory—then it’s not just the boycotters and the tweeters who have politicized your little chocolate enterprise. And i would say the same thing for a business that allowed Obama to make a political speech in support of a Democratic candidate.
No corporation is under any obligation to become directly involved in a political campaign like this. If they choose to enter politics, they shouldn’t really be surprised if it bites them on the ass. I’m not saying that they should never do it. The owner might sit down and calculate that the publicity and the business gained by a Presidential visit will be greater than the losses that any boycott might bring. But any company owner who enters into this sort of political arena without thinking about the potential business ramification is, quite frankly, an idiot.
About the only reasonable observation in this paragraph comes in the first line. I’m not convinced that we’re doomed either, but that doesn’t mean that everything is going great.
The rest of this paragraph is, quite frankly, moronic. Your point about the Parkland listening session is a perfect example of the triumph of low expectations. Trump did something that basically any reasonable person would do, he needed flash cards to keep him on point, and in the wake of it, he made basically no effort to make any substantive changes in policy. And yet you use this to compare him favorably with Hillary Clinton? Jesus.
And your “sneaking suspicion” about Hillary and a war with North Korea is risible. I have plenty of criticisms of Clinton’s politics, and of her campaigning,. and of her personality, but your claim here is idiotic. As for Trump and North Korea, he hasn’t met with them yet, and now that he’s hired John “Pre-emptive Strikes” Bolton as his National Security Adviser, i’m not especially sanguine about the outcome of any talks anyway.
Emphasis mine.
Just curious, by the way, whether you believe that this should be the only calculus in matters of political and civil rights?
I’m not gay, and you could argue that the changing attitudes to homosexuality and same-sex marriage and transgender rights over the past couple of decades have not “personally affected” me in any direct and tangible way, especially when compared to an actual LGBTQ person.
But i support those changes wholeheartedly because i believe that they make our society a better place, and because i believe that they correct historical injustices and inequities that we as a society should be concerned about. And i oppose efforts to roll back the gains in LGBTQ rights for exactly the same reason.
Some people are are empathy-deficient, and can only see issues through the lens of empathy if it affects someone they personally care about, like how McCain is opposed to the use of torture (contra the GOP’s line) because he was tortured, and how Cheney was pro marriage equality well before the GOP as a whole was, because he has a gay daughter.
If that’s how you see the world, it is hard to imagine anyone else seeing things differently.
Don’t forget evil. Unconscionably evil.
And a sadist. Irredeemably.
No, not really. That might make you interesting.
And you just aren’t. “Idiot” is about a far up the ladder as you can go.
You didn’t phrase that answer in the form of a question, Czarcasm. No points for you.
Now how 'bout we get back to the topic of this thread, shall we?
Der Trihs versus Shodan?
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