Because he’s our pet-muslim and therefore invaluable to our trend followers?
Never mind whether he’s a true muslim or not. Never mind if he’s ‘studying’, has two wives, a stable filled with horses and is always travelling, - or not. It sound so cool when you can tell your friends you’ve spoken to a real, honest to god, muslim, right?
How do you know it’s true? What statistics, facts, heck, anecdotes do you have for that? Whenever anybody makes a claim about the character or characteristics of a vast group of people
To know the intentions of the settlers who you speak to, yes. To get enough information to form a hypothesis about the rest of the settlers? Possibly.
I also said there are quite a few famous quotes in that direction coming from Sharon. Which is also true, like it is true that he is responsible for a few massacres in the past, as he is responsible for ongoing civilian deaths.
It would generally behove you to make sure you check things out before you opine quite so… ardently. The cause of truth is served much better by one scholar than one hundred firebrands.
It’s always a good idea to substantiate your claims.
And, to be quite honest, when you make refrence to a lot of quotes, it is, IMO, rude of you not to provide easy access to their source.
Because I heard them making them. I don’t recall I said “a vast group of people”.
Do I say “all”? Where?
I didn’t say I checked them out, I don’t need to do what I intend not to spend my time one. The suggestion was made that such quotes didn’t exist and that I could not come up with some. They do exist. I came up with some. There are a lot more like them.
And speaking from experience, I’m also quite sure that whatever I post here as a scholar shall attrackt the same reactions as it gets up to now.
Take the stupid comments made in this very thread by my Fanclubbing Friends to give you an idea.
If you go back and read them, you shall see under each quote the reference about where they are published (or like some posted here in refuting their veracity: said to be published, indicated where I get them from).
Not enough? Want my whole harddisk to be send to you? Or do you want my whole library all at once. Make up your mind about it.
Sometimes I receive yet an other one of such spreaded shreds. Just like I receive other pieces of information about a lot of topics. It is not a hobby to collect them. They come to me like bees fly to the honeypot. For the greatest amount of time I don’t even put them on a harddisk myself.
Salaam. A
And whenever you say something like this, catching members of Alde’s Fan Club™ unawares and causing them to spit up on their keyboards, the Baby Jesus cries. :dubious:
Oh? Like you believe that Sharon is capable of saying the “quotes” you posted?
No? People have been banned because misattributed quotes were the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Not all of which are what you say they are.
Yes, they exist. That’s not the problem. The problem is that some of those “quotes” did not originate with the people to whom they’re attributed.
If they’re more “Sharon” quotes, don’t bother posting them.
Some “scholar” you are. You don’t even provide cites. Your brain is not a cite.
Or misquoted, as is evidently the case with “[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.”
Where do all these bees come from? If you don’t put them on a harddisk, who does?
Aldebaran,
I’m still waiting to find out why you thought “Jews control America” was relevant to the discussion and why you brought it up.
(And while we’re at it – you have mysterious electronic bees that are drawn with all sorts of anti-Jewish sayings to your computer?)
Zev Steinhardt
More like flies to the chamberpot.
More like flies to the crackpot
b]Aldebaran posts**
Whereupon he is challenged to support the above asertion
Wherupon Aldebaran replies with the following smokescreen, which I have edited to clear the smoke of irrelevant quotes by others than Sharon as follows
[quote]
Note that the only quote that “supports” Aldebaran’s initial assertion is
Well considering that I have learned not to trust aldebaran’s self-touted scholarship I tried to verify the above quote.
This cite is what I found.
[quote]
None of the Web pages gives a source for the quote., beyond alleging that it was in “an interview with General Ouze Merham in 1956.” But neither I nor others have been able to find any evidence that a “General Ouze Merham” ever existed…No sophisticated person would be likely to find the quote plausible. It refers to Arabs as “Palestinians,” a term that was not yet in use in the 1950s…Moreover, nothing happene at Rafah in 1956. No “massacre.” No armed incursion by Israel into what was, at the time, sovereign Egyptian territory.
aldebaran you really want to believe all that shit don’t you ! You sir are the most vile bigot I’ve ever come across these boards who has lasted more than a month. The continued tolerance for your bile and lies on these boards is comepletely baffling to me.
grien, you’re a bit late. 
Thanks for the info regarding the use of “Palestinans” though.
I did read it, but sort of filed that information away as a small representation of the general bullshit nature of his entire post. I came back to that quote when following through on the particular nature of aldebaran’s charge that Sharon had advocated wiping out the Palistinians and his return to back that up.
You were being kind assuming he was just ignorant. I’m not buying that. I put him in the same group as holocaut deniers.
On preview, your welcome
Actually, I was assuming that he was being his usual self. He’s worse than december, who would at least try to provide cites - such as they were.
Come to think of it, this thread has spawned a potential new and devastating insult.
“How dare you ask me for a cite, you plush dog.”
*[Need to get out of the pit. No air. No air. Laughing too hard] *
Aldeberan
I’m very confused.
This thread is about government approved Jew hating. You say that the Israeli government, or its prime ministers, have said things just as hateful about Palestinians and Arabs. Somebody asks you for an example. You post a long list of quotes. The quotes are proven false.
Then, you say it doesn’t matter.
How can it not matter?
We already know that people hate the Jews and Israelis and say bad things about them. We have a government airing lies about Israel, right in the OP. If the quotes are just more hateful lies (and it looks like they are), why bother posting them?
Why do you have a file of these things? Why haven’t you checked them against known facts to see if they can be proven or disproven?
Very fitting, since Aldebaran’s latest posts in this thread reminds me of a dog chasing its tail.
Yes, yes, yes. We all know that. As well as you know that Syrian tanks carried a plush cat with “Pussy on board” (or something like that, my memory is not so good) when after Desert Storm the Syrian government took the advantage of the mood and deflection of attention.
Aldebaran, we’ve given you plenty of time, chances and explantions to understand how you’re supposed to conduct yourself on this board. Nobody has to prove their an expert or a scholar to enter a discussion. But the willingness to at least try to anchor arguments in fact is the a working basis here, as you’re well aware.
Your hit-and-run style of argument has worn tissue thin. We have a name for the practice of throwing out wild assertions “for children to play with” while coyly refusing to make the slightest effort to defend them. It’s called trolling, i.e. causing upset just to get people riled up.
Enough and too much already. Stop it.
TVeblen
Pit mod
Yes, in fact the moderators of this board frequently did.
Calling me a “jerk” when I question the devotion twoards US troops.
Posting (perceived) location of my IP to help poor stalking Mehitabel in her quest to locate me.
Attacking me in the very thread where I question these actions.
“Warning” me to not take any side against the US military in Iraq, even when only in expressing a sentiment. While others can post whatever they want threatening about this very same issue, about things that most definitely form a threat to ME adn my family, my nation, my whole region.
You are very clear indeed.
What?
I say that I give quotes to prove they exist.
They do exist.
Do you mean I have to say they don’t exist while they do exist?
Which hit and run argument.
You seem to forget that while you are awake I SLEEP!
Yes, how surprizing, I also do need to sleep!
How convenient for you to show up under Mod Hat, taking the occasion to post unsubstantiated accusations while I am not even around and can’t be around. Ever heard of time zones??
If you don’t call following posters around to nag them childish, your choice. A rather strange one in my view.
And what “not defending them”.
I say in this very thread repeatedly I do not believe them automatically just because they are aournd and published.
Because I did not undertake any research on them
If I ever want to use such files for whatever reason, you can take a bet on it I shall research them on veracity, or do you think I am retarded.
In fact, those who came up with post making a claim to refute some of what I brought up, can be sure of it that what they came up with is not added to whre I have these quotes. If I ever want to make use of these files, the posts these members made are already a hint and a lead for eventual further research.
That is how things work.
You however seem to have no understanding at all of what I say.
You jump on this like a shark, coming from deep water while I am not even in it.
Give me one example of what you so happily want to accuse me of.
By the way, where is your Moderator Post asking those who claim that the serial that was brought up in the OP is in set up by the Iranian government to back up their claims?
Because you see, I heard yesterday a claim made that it was in fact a production of Hezbollah. Someone else said: most probably Hamas.
I woudn’t know. Do you? Does the OP knows? Can we see the documents of the Iranian government ordering to make this production? Or Hezbollah, or Hamas, or whomever invented it?
What is in your view so different in providing the proof that quotes **exist **, which they do, and the claim the OP made that this production exists, which it does.
The members here go even further and claim a production of the Iranian government without delivering solid proof of that. But that proof is enough to you? That is not “riling up” or whatever you call it?
What? Stop what exactly? What too much of what?
READ my posts instead of inventing WHAT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY THERE.
Can I post on this message board in an other language to make myself clear? (Obviously not.)
Why are you all so after me since the first days I became a member? Try to look inside yourself and find the answer.
If you want to be an “international” message board, then be it. Don’t take the flisiest pretext and excuses to single me out, deal with it that your views, your culture, your interests your army, your invasions are not mine.
Deal with it that when you allow people to come up with posts defending actions that form threats to me, my family, my coutnry, my region, I have the same right to post and defend defend mine.
If you do not want this to happen, if you want to be a US -Western-Western Orientated orientated BLOG, then say so in your terms of agreement.
You can read my proposals for that in the thread I opened on the subject.
Be honest. Don’t come up with some crappy accusations of “trolling” and crappy warnings about “jerk” and about “do not think about shooting US service men” to build up “reasons” to ban me.
If you think I’m an idiot who does not see right through all of this, think again.
Of course there are a lot of people posting here who do not see right trough it and a lot who shall applaud you if you ban me.
Dissident voices are never popular ones among the willfully blind.
In case I get now banned for daring to speak out my mind and say things like I see them clearly:
To all the members of this message board:
Thank you for the interesting time and change of thoughts and viewpoints.
Even when we do not agree, there is mutual respect from both sides and at the very least coming from mine.
Even those who made a sport of attacking me can count on this coming from me. Even Mehitabel with her tiring,nagging intrusive curiousity.
Even when I can not discern your reasons, that does not mean you have no right to have them. Hence there is no reason why I would judge you for having them and standing behind your convictions.
May I wish you all a very happy 2005 in which no harm comes to you.
Especially those who are in the US army and brought in danger by your government’s poilicies.
I would fight you by all means if you were send to invade my country. As you would fight me if I was invading yours. It does not mean that we are born to be enemies or that I would not invite you in my house as a friend when you come as a friend.
Salaam. A