I think they used the regular HL2 map editor. The L4d maps aren’t significantly different because the AI determines zombie placement rather than having set scripted points. The actual L4D SDK isn’t out yet.
You mean like this?
Hmm. Any idea why Steam Community :: Left 4 Dead Stats :: SenorBeef won’t work?
No clue, but yours is here.
Picked up the no healing acheivement on Death Toll last night. Friend got it on No Mercy afterwards.
I’ll be playing this evening, starting around 10-10:30 PM GMT-5 (EST). I’ll look for dopers. I saw someone playing expert last night when I signed on. I’m all about Expert now. This is on XBox.
Yeah, that was me. I was going to send you an invite, but it was late.
If it was past 12 EST, it might even have been me playing No Mercy on Expert. We sorta cheated on the roof, but I was still the only survivor (yay achievements!)
If anyone sees me on (sidhePuck), feel free to throw me an invite. Tho I might be doing family-entertainment duty with Fallout or Prince of Persia, so don’t be offended if I can’t make it. :o
We had the three of us on at one time.
I fundamentally cannot finish the finales on Expert, at least the two I’ve tried. I’ve tried No Mercy and Death Toll multiple times and though we can start with extra health packs and green health, I’ve been unable to find a strategy that works with two AI players. I’m certain I have a winning strategy on Death Toll but No Mercy remains elusive.
Death Toll: holding the upstairs balcony near the gun. One player sits in front of the front window to avoid smoker/hunter attacks. Another watches his back and helps. The other two hold the gun area, though the usefulness of the gun is questionable. It’s just a good area to hold. There are enough molotolvs to ensure the Tank is lit on fire and saving pipe bombs for the accidental Boomer attack during a Tank battle is sufficient.
Problems: The AI cannot function well enough on Expert. It gets pulled off ledges and cannot battle the Expert Tank well. At least three human players are probably necessary.
No Mercy: I cannot figure this one out. I believe holding the ledge behind the gun is the only way to go, but people can get pounced here. Again I believe three human players are the minimum necessary for this strategy. With four humans I can see holding the closet next to the weapon locker, or holding the room in general.
Problems: Getting back on this ledge in case of accidental hunter/smoker problems is difficult without a pipe bomb. Saving pipe bombs from the safehouse is probably critical. Closet strategies are sometimes totally ruined by Boomers, which knock players backwards and sometimes the closet gets flooded.
For those of you who have completed Expert finales, any advice?
For No Mercy, you’ve got to stay inside. Two people at the top of the stairwell, two people at the bottom. One ducking, the other not. If you go outside, you’ll get tagged by a Smoker or a Hunter.
Position the gas cans about 30 feet from the door. You can go through one at a time, which is probably optimal. Save a pipe bomb for when the chopper comes. I’ve had a Hunter jump up on me in the chopper and claw my nipples off inside the helicopter before
Yes, three humans are pretty much standard for Expert. AI knocks into Witches along the way as well, which gets infuriating.
You need a third or fourth tonight?
There’s also a strategy I’ve seen work fairly well for No Mercy. It’s kind of cheap (especially in versus), but it works.
There’s a metal ramp coming off the heli-pad that everyone can get under. It’s essentially like the closet in the hospital around the elevator. If everyone’s got an auto-shotty, you’ve got almost nothing to worry about. The only down side is you’re half a map away from all your supplies. The teams I’ve seen/played with always scatter when the tank’s coming, but I don’t see why you couldn’t just auto-shotty him in close quarters until he’s down. Toss a pipe bomb when the chopper gets there, and a pipe bomb on the helipad for any boss zombies, and you should be able to make it.
I have class tonight so I probably wouldn’t be on until after 9. There’s no current plans but I am definitely up for a game.
I also have no plans. Shoot me a message when you hop on, then. I’ll see if I can drag some others into it.
This works extremely well on Normal and Versus, but I was unable to make it work on Expert. The Expert Tank has enough health to get through and pound you to dogmeat. 
You can stay down there in Expert and auto-shotty the Tank into submission? Interesting.
Hey, can someone answer a few questions for me? Apologies if they’ve been answered previously in the thread… seven pages is a lot to wade through.
I’m looking for a multiplayer game that Mr. Athena and I can play together, on the same side. My preference would be to be able to play just the two of us, so that means AI plays the other side. Can Left 4 Dead do that, or is all the multiplayer designed around a larger team?
Before anyone asks: It’s for Mr. Athena, he’s not a gamer, but is showing interest. He is, however, a bit scared about jumping in full-throttle to real online multiplayer. He tends to get confused by all the controls, and doesn’t want to feel like he has to keep up with people of even moderate gaming ability. I keep trying to find a game where he can ease into it, but is not a death match kind of thing - he doesn’t want to kill me. So sweet!
So… given that… what do you all think about Left 4 Dead?
Left 4 dead would be good way to introduce him into coop games in general, and the AI does a decent job, specially at the lower difficulty levels, and up to advanced.
Besides, you really can’t go wrong with zombie slaying goodness.
My girlfriend had never played much of the Xbox before this game. When I showed her the controls, she froze and thought they were too complex.
She’s over it. She’s said she’s used to it and she insists that we kill zombies on an almost-nightly basis.
It’s our together time.
He’ll be fine for this, or any other game.
Cool, thanks for the answers.
But noone has answered the big one yet:
- Can just the two of us play on the same side, together, against computer-controlled enemies?
Heh. You don’t know Mr. Athena. Trust me, I’ve had him try tons o’ games, nothing really has stuck, though he continues to show interest in trying new ones.