Rarely to never. Vegan, almost certainly never. We are very firmly in the meat* is good for you camp.
*grass fed meat, raw milk, pastured chickens, etc. None of this grain fed business that destroys all nutrition.
Almost never. I usually start planning my meals around what meat they will feature.
Vegetarian, semi-often. Not really planned that way, it just happens. Vegan, never. Never, ever, ever. In fact, if the thought ever crossed my mind, I would make the next meal bacon-wrapped steak, deep-fried in lard and eaten under a set of moose antlers while wearing a fur coat.
Why?
Vegans may be wonderful people, but none of the ones I have ever met fit that description. The ones I know to be vegan are sanctimonious assholes. I would do the above just to spite them, out of pettiness and childishness. 
We don’t “eat vegetarian.” We do, however, eat a number of vegetarian meals. But it is because we like the dish, not because we have any concern about food animals or have any health issues.
First of all - feeding grain to cattle does NOT “destroy all nutrition”. It can increase fat content, which is arguably less than ideal, but lack of exercise while on feed lots has much to do with that as well.
Also, I hope you are aware that consuming raw milk does can a real risk of disease. Unless you have a means of confirming the animal it comes from really is healthy at the time the particular glass of milk was excreted you’re taking a risk. It is certainly possible to obtain safe raw milk, but you have to do your homework. I have no problem with you doing so, so long as you are properly informed of it.
I don’t get this level of vegan hate. A LOT of foods are vegan not because they’re deliberately made that way but because they just don’t have any animal stuff in them. Seriously, do you add a pat of butter to your orange juice to make sure it’s not vegan? If someone serves you a salad of greens and vinegrette do you insist on adding cheese or bacon bits to save it from the dreaded fate of being vegan?
A lot of vegetarian meals ARE vegan, even if not planned to be so. I can understand not bothering to make sure your food is vegan, but being so anti-vegan I don’t understand.
You forgot the crocodile boots and the calfskin gloves.
I assume he also eats his Oreos wrapped in bacon because they’re vegan.
Nice touch.
Like I noted above, my actions and motivations for same are petty and childish. I find nothing wrong with some foods being vegan. I have a small problem with most of the people I know who are vegan. See the difference?
Bacon-wrapped Oreos…mmmmmmmmmmmm… <drool>
Can I get them deep-fried?
Whatever makes you happy, silenus
By the way, Alice are you vegan yourself or “just” regular vegetarian?
(Me, I think I’m inclining more and more towards “flexatarian”, but my main issue is eating good food, not conforming to the carnivore-omnivore-vegetarian spectrum)
Neither - I eat fish about 3 times a week which I suppose makes me a pescotarian.
I would like to not eat fish and I would like to not eat eggs or milk - I’ve learned some things since working in a Vet faculty that make me uncomfortable. However, I’m also pragmatic about these things - I live in Alberta and being totally vegan or even fully vegetarian is a bit of a nightmare.
For instance, my inlaws idea of a complete meal is a steak and a baked potato so assuming I want to eat with them ever I need to be a bit flexable. 
My best friend and her husband are vegetarians for ethical reasons, so every time we share a meal at my house or at theirs, the menu is meatless.
If we go out to dinner, I go ahead and get something that involved killing a poor defenseless critter, though. And last year at Xmas they passed on some venison a confused (or obnoxious) relative had given them.
Cite?
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/newsletter/PDUpdate0407.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25723479/
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1200759,00.html
Well, thanks so much for the permission :rolleyes:
Vegetarian about 4-5 days a week.
Veganism is just a byproudct of wealthy people who can afford the time and money to worry about inane things. Eggs and milk and the like are great for you, and that’s coming from someone who’se lactose deficient. And you can pry 'em from my cold, dead hands.
Never, anymore.
If I had to put a number on it, I’d say about half my meals are vegetarian. Vegan, maybe a couple of times a week on average, but that depends on what I’m making that particular week - last week, I ate a lot of lentil soup, which I made vegan, but this week, most of my meals have meat of some kind, since I made chicken stir fry, and cioppino.
I don’t really decide “I want to eat a vegetarian meal tonight”, it’s more like “I want lentil soup”, it’s just how I eat.
ETA: I don’t really get into meat substitues, either. So my non-meat meals are things like the aformentioned lentil soup, lots of stuff with beans & legumes, eggs, sometimes cheese, etc.
You said “destroy all nutrition”. While your cites clearly show that grain-feeding/feedlot practices alter the nutritional profile of beef, it does NOT “destroy all”.
Grain-fed beef still has protein which is usable by the human body, as well as such things as iron. It has them in different proportions to grass-fed beef, but they still exist.
Grain-fed beef is not poison. It’s not as good (in some ways) as grass-fed, but it’s a heck of a lot cheaper which, if you’re as poor as I am, is a deciding factor. As it is, we can only afford to eat beef maybe once a week and at that level of consumption grain-fed isn’t going to hurt us.
You’re welcome. If you’re informed that’s great, but not everyone is and the CDC has reported outbreaks of disease from people consuming contaminated raw milk.
Personally, I’m not convinced that raw milk is so very advantageous over pasteurized, and since I have no place or means to keep a cow or goat myself (where I could adequately control the circumstances) I’ll stick to pasteurized, thank you very much.
At least in this country we haven’t had to deal with the situation like what occurred in China last year.
Sorry for the hijack but this isn’t true. I know a number of vegans and none of them are anywhere close to being wealthy. I’d also like to add that I eat meat and they are never cranky/judgmental about it when we have dinner together. In fact, I doubt they care enough about my eating habits to even give it a second thought. So they might worry about “inane things” but I’m pretty sure they make more pleasant dining companions than you.
Well, seeing as how we’ve been moved to Cafe Society, I thought I’d post my green curry recipe as I’m making it for dinner tonight (all this talk make me crave it!)
1 tbsp green curry paste (you can make your own but it’s a bit involved)
1 can coconut milk
1 carrot sliced
1/4 eggplant sliced
1 portobello mushroom sliced
5 broccoli florettes
6 asparagus
5 button mushrooms
1/4 cup purple onion diced
1/4 package extra firm tofu.
1/2 fresh lime
saute green curry paste with olive oil. Add coconut milk and heat to boiling. Add broccoli, onions, carrots, asparagus, cook for a few minutes. Add remaining veg & tofu and simmer until done to your liking.
Serve over quinoa, couscous or brown rice. Garish with fresh lime and salt and pepper to taste.
It’s sooo yummy - I can’t wait for it to be done! (It’s also really easy and takes about 20 minutes to whip up so it’s nice after work).
You obviously took wealthy to mean literal millionaires or the like. Let me make myself more specific: it is a product of a wealthy society, of people who live in urban or densely populated suburban areas. When you’re on a food budget of any sort, you can’t be troubled to avoid dairy and meat. Secondly, do you cook separate meals for your friends, or do you always go out to eat? I take it you go out to eat, since you “don’t notice” their habits. Restaurants with plenty of vegan options are located in areas of relative affluence - or your friends are just orderings salads. Do you live in a densely populated suburban or in an urban area?
My boss became a vegan this summer (from being an ovo-lacto vegetarian) and I can assure you that her eating habits came up frequently where they otherwise never had - anytime there was any food involved in a meeting, coffee with accidental creamer, a sandwich sprinkled with cheese, someone’s birthday cake, and most awkward of all, the pizza party she abstained from that was thrown for a colleague’s retirement.
alice_in_wonderland, where do one get curry paste from, just an Asian food mart? Or can it be found in Asian sections of big grocery stores - and is it dry or refrigerated?