I didn’t know what forum to post this in - this isn’t mundane or pointless - and if a debate does start, it’ll likely be a flame war, so … I’m posting here. Because, if it’s true, then fuck!
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20040912/320000000020040912120049E7.html
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_explosion_3
Not cool.
It doesn’t look good.
My question is academic; where do they have room in North Korean for a nuclear test without at the very least giving cancer to several thousand people?
Our president has aspirations of developing a noo-kew-ler weapon for blowing up bunkers. We still maintain the largest nuclear stockpile in the world. We have more nuclear materials, including fissile material, than any country on earth.
Why is it “cool” for us, but “not cool” for North Korea?
Goose, meet gander.
Sam
That´s just swell, isn´t it?
I´d wait for comfirmation though; sooner or later the fallout (if there´s any) should reach China or the sea, depending on the winds.
Nuclear weapons aren’t cool, but North Korean sells munitions to really nasty people.
Hmmm, because Little Kim is a Triple A Certified fruitcake? :dubious:
Millions claim this about Bush too, but we nuclear weapons. Unless they are a direct threat to us, they should be able to have nuclear weapons too.
What makes you think I think it’s cool that we have nuclear weapons?
I hate to point this out, but we have and continue to do the same thing.
Kim is a fruitcake, but so is our figurehead. I don’t like Kim having Nukes, but I don’t like anyone having them. I don’t like us having them and I don’t like having a president who opened up his first term with a bunker buster plan.
I’m just pointing out the two-facedness of the idea of another country having nukes as a bad thing, and us controlling the largest stockpile as an OK thing. Don’t mind me.
Sam
Again, you’d have to know my position before you can declare me two-faced. Go take your assumptions elsewhere.
Actually, I don’t believe we sell them to folks in the Mid East.
I’m not happy with Bush having the football, but MAD worked with the Soviets, Dr. Strangelove not withstanding.
Is my grammar correct on that?
I apologize if I’ve lumped you into a group of people who DO feel it’s ok for us to have all the nukes we do, while demonizing the myriad little shit countries who are developing teeny tiny little stockpiles with no way to attack countries more than a few hundred miles away from them(A la India, Pakistan, N. Korea, Etc.). I hear the argument against N. Korea having nukes and why it’s so important for us to stop them from developing them all the time, and most people I argue with about this think it IS ok for us to have our own little stash.
Once again, my apologies, but someone had to ask the question of why it’s bad for them and ok for us, don’t you think?
Sam
Hey there, don’t go taking things all personal now. I just apologized for my assumption, dickwad, and explained why I made it. Also, I must point out that pointing out the two-facedness of someone’s argument is MUCH different than calling someone two-faced in an Ad-hominem attack. One can hold an unfair or two-faced opinion without being the same.
I’d recommend taking your hackles down a notch if you wish to debate politics with someone.
Sam
I’d say it’s time for some history lessons before you can claim that we don’t and haven’t sold weapons to “nasty” people.
Sam
Apology accepted. Notwithstanding my belief that no country should have nuclear weapons, I accept the fact that getting rid of them is not realistic. And, I also understand people who argue that they may be a necessary evil. However, that doesn’t mean I wish to see crazy despots acquire them, either. But, if I had my way, no one would have them.
Heheheh. My Ironymeter is beeping like mad!
Perhaps I’m mistaken. Who did we sell nukes to?
Since I’ve already accepted your earlier apology, I think we can let this part of the debate die, yes?
I think I speak for all of us, Sam, when I say we’re getting worried about these mood swings.
Perhaps I’m mistaken. Who did N. Korea sell nukes to?
You said “weapons”, Not “nukes”, and since N. Korea hasn’t had a weapons program in place long enough to have developed and begun selling them to other “nasty” people, and to my knowledge this accusation has not been levelled against them, your argument is moot.
Sam