North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman?

I’m assuming at this point the next summit will be with that Nigerian prince that he’s been in contact with.

More like when a friend pulls you out of a crooked poker game when you’d already bet and lost the grocery money, but before you bet the mortgage money.

I think this qualifies as proof positive that there is no real “deep state” with any power. Because if there were, Trump would be dead before this letter saw the light of day.

Poor diplomacy, particularly misunderstood or poorly-worded diplomatic missives, were the cause of World War 1, World War 2, and the first Iraq War, at the very least. And this? This is a “poorly-worded diplomatic missive” in the same way that that VHS from “The Ring” that causes you to die in 7 days is a “bad movie”. It looks like it was written by someone who barely speaks english. It looks like someone with serious dementia ran copy through google translate twice. The overall messaging is nonsensical, dangerous, and schizophrenic.

All in all this may not be the worst diplomatic missive ever (feel free to present worse ones if you think you have them), but it does serve as a handy proof positive against the “deep state” conspiracy theory. Because if there actually was a deep state, or a secret police, or some bullshit illuminaughty conspiracy pulling strings behind the scenes, anyone who thought this was a good idea would be dead before the fucking ink dried.

It was Germany wanting to run Europe. In WWI Gavrillo Princeps was the excuse. They were rather more honest about it in WWII.

You’re selling them short. They back away stupidly from good ideas, too.

The Zimmerman telegram and the Ems dispatch.

As I read this I kept telling myself "This must be a whoosh, there is no way we (the United States) would send a formal diplomatic letter written like that. So I went and found it on the NY Times site (many others) and yes, it is that bad. I used to write letters to the military chiefs of foreign countries, literally dozens of letters some of which touched on rather touchy topics, and I don’t think I ever wrote one as poorly composed as that. There are one or two sentences that I would expect to see (the first sentence of the letter and the one about freeing the hostages), but everything else…I would have been embarrassed to send such drivel.

Has the diplomatic corps been so relegated to the sidelines without even being able to make editing suggestions? IMHO, Trump and Pompeo put this masterpiece together without running it by anyone.

Half the writers here at the Dope demonstrate more competence with the English language than this monstrosity of a note does.

Sorry for the rant-like portion, but I took my writing letters representing the US Government (albeit on a much lower level) much more seriously than this.

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…but Most Supporters Have Said They Want This Heirloom of Political History Regardless of Outcome.

I’m sure someone now realizes they could have an entire set of failed outcome coins - Repealed Obamacare - Mighty Muslim Ban - Built the Wall - and his idiot fans would buy them all. Profit!

That’s because Trump personally dictated every word of the letter.

sigh…

The diplomatic error of the Zimmermann Telegram was Zimmermann publicly admitting it was true

I have no idea how this sort of thing works, but I would think that communications with foreign governments would be written by someone familiar with the language, politics and culture of those countries. That sounds like a note Trump would write to a girl that stood him up on a junior high date.

Wow. No wonder much of it came across as word salad

Are the coins for sale on ebay real cheap now?

The utter, embarrassing cluelessness that permeates that whole administration is endlessly amusing. I can imagine asking the aforementioned White House official, “are you sure he dictated every word?” And the official replying, “Oh, yes, every word is his own”. And then, if the official happened to have a few more brain cells than the rest of them, he might detect a kind of stunned silence that seemed to regard this as a shameless confession of historic proportions, and he might ask, “Why, was there something wrong with it?” :smiley:

Meanwhile Trump, basking in the Dunning–Kruger effect like a warm bath of numbing ignorance, probably imagines this to be the most brilliant diplomatic missive ever dispatched in the history of the USA.

You misspelled “in the history of diplomatic missives.”

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Exactly.

Basically it looks like Trump thought that the only difference between the 4th grade reading levelthat he normally uses and the highfalutin language of diplomats is that they use bigger words like “irrelevant” and “negotiations” and “dialogue”, and that they sometimes use an unusual word order, so as long as he does this, his writing is just as good as theirs.

On the positive side, by dictating it, he got all the words spelled correctly.

We’ve elected Oswald Bates.