Not having children and your outlook on life

I won’t ever have to worry about my child being raped. Or being a rapist. Or being in a car accident. Or sexting. I won’t have to explain birth control and be worried that she might get pregnant at the age of 14 or that he won’t have fathered a child before he’s old enough to drive and support a family.

I can budget my income and expenses without the unexpected child-related emergency. I can plan vacations that don’t involve adults in cartoon costumes. I don’t have to have an extra television constantly streaming Dora the Explorer just to get a little adult quiet time. I can live with pets who are afraid because of the constant grabbing they have had to experience at the hands of unsupervised brats.

As someone who remained childless by choice until age 39 and now who now parents a twelve-year-old, I have a lot of experience on both sides. I think the issues are pretty well covered above, and I agree with most all of it, although I take exception to the notion that pregnancy itself is necessarily a huge, life-altering ordeal (it’s the stuff that happens AFTERWARD that’s life-changing). My own pregnancy was pretty unremarkable; I didn’t even feel particularly different, I just got to eat more and not have a period. This is not to say that there are not people who don’t have prolonged discomfort or permanent bodily changes - just that such outcomes are far from inevitable. Hey, come to think of it, I got permanently bigger boobs out of pregnancy - yay!

The only thing I would add to the comments of other posters above is so subtle as to be almost ineffable. Let me give an example rather than try to put my finger directly on it: When I was childless, sometimes my friends with kids would relate something about their experience with their kid; let’s say, “oh, Johnny is having trouble making friends at school; we’re trying to coach him through this situation.”

As a good interlocutor, I’d of course want to sympathetically relate, so I’d search for something in my own experience that I could use to create a connection between us. But, being childless, I’d end up saying “yeah, I remember when I was a child, there was one semester where…”

Conversations like that always made me feel a little infantilized. There was the other person, talking about handling life as a grown-up, and the best I could do was to recall something from when I was a kid.

Now as a parent, I don’t have to do that any more. And, in a related development, it is much easier to establish empathy and a vocabulary of shared experiences with most people, since for better or for worse most people ARE parents. To misquote Tolstoy, “families with children are all alike, but childless families are all childless in their own way.”

That’s not literally true, of course. But having kids does fundamentally alter the way you relate to people in a lot of situations. Your central reference point moves outward from your own experiences in a subtle but all-encompassing way.

Please, childless folks, don’t jump on me and claim that I am accusing childless people of being “selfish.” I know that this is a common assertion, but personally I don’t buy it AT ALL. Parents can be at least as selfish, if not more, than childless people. What I’m talking about is not so black and white, and doesn’t have to do with being a better or worse person. It’s just, as any person who has seen the world from both points of view can affirm … different.

Ah, yes, the definition of family as “those in the first degree only”. Which, the way you’ve phrased it, excludes SOs as well. ETA: Ah, I see Kaio already mentioned it.
The “school district” consideration wouldn’t be applicable for me in any case (in Spain the kids don’t have to go to the nearest school, if you’re in the public system; being closer gives you more “points” to get into the school of your choice but it can be in the other end of town), but you also do not need to worry about college funds for the kids. Or about whether to buy them a car, or hand down yours, or that kind of stuff. I’m doing that for The Kidlets, but that’s an option… my definition of family isn’t limited to the first degree.

If one is a lovable person, people will love you even if you didn’t happen to sire them. And if you’re not, well, siring them doesn’t guarantee their love. Either way, the idea mentioned above sure is an interesting thing to remember when people accuse the childless of being selfish.

Anyway, so much has been covered here, and I don’t want to just repeat stuff, but I’ll state explicitly what Dangerosa implied (not necessarily intentionally), which is that there are things you can only learn about yourself by being a parent, and you won’t like all of them. Nothing else brings out all your most and least noble impulses quite the same way.

Yes, but if you have a dog, there’s a worse possibility: that you step on a half-chewed Nylabone.

Well, I’m not entirely certain I’ll be childfree my whole life, but one thing I do notice is that all my friends with kids always look worn out, at least for the first few years (which is where the ones my age are already.)

Another one I thought of: no four or five extra doctor’s visits a year because schools are germ factories. And you don’t have to worry about braces or any of that.

<grumpy pregnant lady>Can’t drink alcohol, can’t eat lunch meat, can’t eat soft cheese, can’t eat sushi, can’t stay in a smoky bar, can’t get in the hot tub, can’t even take a hot bath, can’t take the dance/exercise classes you used to, can’t take the medicine you want to take when you have a headache or a cold, can’t lift heavy things, can’t sleep on your stomach, can’t sleep on your back, can’t trust your own head to assess situations accurately, can’t take a satisfying poo or pee, can’t go three hours without eating, can’t stay up late because you’re so tired, can’t stay out all day because you need a nap, can’t take accustomed long walks because your joints hurt so much…

Most likely you’ve forgotten what a lot of it was like (like my mother… grrrrr), and in any case, my point was that the lesson of surrender of your own comfort and preferences for the good of another person begins as soon as you know you’re pregnant.</grumpy pregnant lady>

OK. I sounded crass, but how are we parents to feel when people start talking about their marvellous life without kids and all free time and money they have?

And then ask “What else would be effected?”

Look, my mum is 75 years old. My dad is gone. When I was 16 I overheard my mum on the phone saying “Oh, if we had to do it all over again, we wouldn’t have had kids.”

She has 4 kids and 9 grandchildren. Believe me. There’s no way she feels that way now. She’s coming up for Thanksgiving. She’ll be here again at Christmas. If it weren’t for kids she would either be alone for these occasions, or feel like an interloper in someone else’s family.

I’m not really trying to stir up shit. But please consider that the couple of decades it takes to raise kids (if you are blessed enough to be able to have them) is not that big a deal when you consider the two or three or four decades afterwards with adult kids and grandkids to spoil. Hey, I know it’s not for everyone, but if you start talking about the benefits, please allow me to point out the pitfalls.

Why? Do you think we don’t hear the pitfalls all the time from parents just as you? Don’t you think we’ve made the choice? As for “how you’re supposed to feel”, since when am I responsible for that? It’s awful your mother said that, but I know the choices I made when I decided not to have kids. And I love my happy carefree life and I am so happy I don’t have to chase kids around.

And you only responded to me, but I will reiterate what everyone else said. How dare you, sir, imply that our spouses are not family. I go home to my family every day just like you do. I just choose to keep it very small.

You claim we will die alone and with no immediate family and I say that can happen no matter what, and that’s not a given just because we are childless.

My Dad tried that guilt trip on me, all it did was piss me off, and made me not want to be with him.

Both my parents are gone now, my sister is 11 years older than I am, and has many health problems. I am not worried about being left alone, I essentially LIKE being alone, thus the no kids.

I am planning for my old age, and will be spending my later years in an assisted living facility. I have friends, I have my husband, and I enjoy my own company.

Leaffan, if you’re jealous of people without kids, maybe the problem is in you. My brother has two kids and he doesn’t feel jealous of me for not having them any more than I feel jealous of him for having them. He’s got kids, I don’t: that makes our lifes different, but neither one is better than the other’s.

In other words, if you feel the need to take a dump, go to the potty.

The OP asked “What else would be effected?” I answered from my point of view, IMHO.

I’m not sure what this is in reference to.

And I love my kids and am happy I had them.

And chances are you’ll outlive him and then be alone. I responded only to you instead of quoting everyone else who had the same thought, only for brevity.

Sure. No disagreement there.

The problem is that the pitfalls you pointed out are not unique to being childless, nor are they particularly guaranteed by being childless.

Most folks die old, childless or not.

Alone? With no family to call your own? Only if you never married, have no friends, and are the last surviving member of your extended family, or have somehow become estranged from your extended family.

Jealous? Of people with no kids? Au contraire.

I don’t have to conceal not liking children.

I don’t have to participate in “show me your kid’s pictures” kinds of things at work.

Unemployment seem much less stressful for me than some of my friends, because I don’t have to worry about taking any old crap job to feed my children.

As others have mentioned, I can go where I want when I want without any additional expense or planning, either to bring children with or leave them behind.

No worry about unreliable babysitters.

More time, more money, less stress, less responsibility for others, more choices.

Honestly, I don’t see why ANYONE has children, though I appreciate that they do. Otherwise, who would offer me the Biggie Fries?

Leaffan, your comment absolutely makes you sound like you are jealous: “but how are we parents to feel when people start talking about their marvellous life without kids and all free time and money they have?” And that was what my comment about “how am i responsible for that” about? But I am not butting heads with you anymore. There is a certain subset of parents who think we have made the wrong decision no matter what…but when you just don’t want children at all, any of the benefits don’t seem good.

Anyway.

I do not like just any children - I don’t think kids are cute by default. And it drives me batty when people want to show me 752 pictures of their kid on vacation. Show me one, maybe two, and shut up.

But I do love specific kids. I love my niece and nephew. And that is another thing about being childless - I have extra money to lavish on them, and with their parents’ permission, can spoil them ROTTEN! And be the loving aunt.

Me and my SO both had loving, single, childless aunts. They spoiled us. When our parents yelled at us, they comforted us. We were able to talk to them.

Now I am paying it forwards, and quite happy to be doing so.

What else? I can sleep as late as I want on the weekends and don’t have tykes pounding around the house. I never have to lock my bedroom door for a few minutes of privacy. I never have to worry about being caught in flagrante delicto and having to explain to a small person what Mommy and Daddy were doing.

Leaffan, the OP may not even be able to adopt kids since he’s gay - some places have laws prohibiting it, IIRC.

And some of us don’t have any desire to have children. I think children should be wanted, and I feel it would be selfish on my part to have kids without that want, in order to have someone who feels socially obligated (at worst case) to take care of me when I’m old. It’s a damned big deal to spend a couple decades of my life; it’s risking inflicting selfishness of one of the worst sorts on another human being.

I’m sorry you had to overhear your mother say that, but “you’ll be alone when you’re old”-type statements only perpetuate the societal pressure to reproduce Or Else (you are bad and selfish and will have no one to care for you).

I don’t want to butt heads either. The OP asked for an opinion. I offered one. I’m sorry it’s not the popular choice.

It just has nothing to do with being childless. Many childless people are surrounded by communities of loving friends and extended family. Many people with children are alone and embittered.

I understand that. I had just wanted to point out that not having kids didn’t necessarily equal being alone. But all views are welcome.