Now is not the time to come together as Americans

[madmonk28]

@octopus

All the violence is inexcusable, but saying someone is stinky is not even a crime. Beating and kicking someone is. I can post more videos of left wing violence but what’s the point? You know they exist but it’s your tribe doing the beating so why worry?

I don’t know they exist, when it does occur it is terrible. You should call them out when they happen.

There are many, many incidents piling up of Trump supporters committing violence and acts of intimidation. Not just saying “someone is stinky” (which by the way, is an incredibly telling comment by you to minimize overt racism to intimidate a person of color), but also acts of violence.

[Smapti]

@madmonk28

So I just now got done watching a video my colleague posted on Facebook. In it an angry white man makes reference that Trump has been elected and says “we’re in America, when are you leaving? Have you even heard of deodorant?” To a young man of color in a University of Maryland shirt.

So how do I come together with this Trump voter? How do I work with him to build a better America?

You come at him with facts, and logic, and compassion, and do your best to convince him that he’s wrong.

[SteveG1]

@xenophon41

I gotta ask, octopus, why do you think you need to bullshit about what “liberals” are willing to allow from “our side”? Yeah, there’s been rioting and incidents of violent behavior in the name of anti-Trumpism or even progressivism. This is anathema to progressives, and we’re forced to say that every time.

“We” very prominently shut down violent rhetoric on “our” side, “our” candidates make inclusiveness a rallying call, “our” President came to prominence with a “there’s no red or blue American, there’s only America” speech, and he campaigned that way and he tried to govern that way. Our latest candidate for President based her campaign on being “stronger Together” and made it very clear in speech after speech that this included all Americans regardless of political stripe.

Answering the real and obvious actual racist talk, racist campaign promises, racist staff selections and racist past of the Trump campaign with stories of “liberal violence” is bullshit.

This.

[SteveG1]

A rash of racist attacks have broken out in the US after Donald Trump’s victory

Updated at 9:30pm, EST, Nov. 10.

In his acceptance speech on Nov. 9, US president-elect Donald J. Trump made a pledge of unity, promising to be a leader for “all Americans.”

But some of his supporters have not heard that message. Even as Trump was speaking, one person in the audience yelled “Hang Obama,” and online commentators spewed a steady stream of racist, sexist, and anti-Semitic messages on a YouTube livestream, directed to “Anti-whites,” “Killery,” and “Jews in Congress.”
…
appears to have emboldened some of the white supremacists who support him offline too. Self-identified Trump supporters are harassing minorities, and calling for more organized white supremacy.

Near Boston, at Wellesley College, where Clinton went to school, two men from a neighboring college drove around the campus flying a Trump flag from their pickup truck, according to students who posted videos on Facebook. One wrote:

They laughed, screamed and sped around campus. Then, they parked in front of the house for students of African descent, and jeered at them, screaming Trump and Make America Great Again. When one student asked them to leave, they spit in her direction.

Utah high schools have several reports of Latino students being bullied, according to a local Fox News channel. One student whose parents are Mexican immigrants said she was told, “You wetbacks need to go back to Mexico.”

Racist slurs and pro-Trump slogans were scrawled at high school in Minnesota:,
Muslim women in North Carolina and California reported verbal and physical abuse…
…
The Klu Klux Klan white supremacist group is openly canvassing for new members in Birmingham, Alabama, where flyers were scattered in driveways on the morning after the election, the local NBC affiliate reported. “Get off the fence, whitey, and join the only group that has ever stood for the white man,” they read. “Black radicals have reverted back to savages and more Muslims arrive daily.”

The local leader of the group confirmed they were real to AL.com and added, “We must hold Trump’s promises close, and continue on to make damn sure he follows through.”

People are also sharing individual instances of harassment from people they thought were friends and allies. One Afghan immigrant from Nashville, Tennessee, said her former neighbor, and mother’s best friend for 10 years, sent her a message telling her to “go back to where she came from.”

‘Make America White Again’: Hate speech and crimes post-election | CNN

(CNN) — Fears of heightened bigotry and hate crimes have turned into reality for some Americans after Donald Trump’s presidential win.

Racist, pro-Trump graffiti painted inside a high school in Minnesota. A hijab-wearing college student robbed by men talking about Trump and Muslims in California. Messages about lynchings popping up on freshmen’s phones in Pennsylvania.

While Trump has been accused of fostering xenophobia and Islamophobia, some people have used his words as justification to carry out hateful acts. In fact, the Southern Poverty Law Center has counted hundreds of instances of “hateful intimidation and harassment” following the presidential election.

New York Times calls on Trump to denounce hate

Here’s what some Americans are dealing with across the country.

Muslim student threatened with lighter

Ann Arbor police were investigating reports a man approached a Muslim student and threatened to set her on fire with a lighter unless she removed her hijab.

Police told CNN on Saturday they were “actively investigating and soliciting leads from witnesses” to the reported incident.

The suspect is described as 20 to 30 years old, unkempt and intoxicated, according to the University of Michigan.

Advocacy organization CAIR-MI said the alleged attack was just the latest anti-Muslim incident reported since Trump won the election.

“Our nation’s leaders, and particularly President-elect Donald Trump, need to speak out forcefully against the wave of anti-Muslim incidents sweeping the country after Tuesday’s election,” Executive Director Dawud Walid said.
Racist messages target black students

Black freshmen at the University of Pennsylvania found “violent, racist and thoroughly disgusting” messages on their phones Friday after they were added to a racist GroupMe account, the university said.

The account on the group messaging service appears to be based in Oklahoma, officials said, and investigators are trying to track down who’s responsible.

According to The Daily Pennsylvanian, the messages included racial slurs and images of lynchings.

“This is absolutely vile material and completely offensive to everyone on our campus. We are both angry and saddened that it was directed to our students or to anyone. The people responsible for this are reprehensible,” university officials said. “We have increased campus safety and are reaching out to support the affected students in every way we can, and want them to know that the entire Penn community stands with them.”…

‘Trump!’ written on Muslim prayer room door in NYC

At the New York University Tandon School of Engineering, students discovered the name of the President-elect written on the door to a prayer room for Muslims on Wednesday, school officials said.

“Our campus is not immune to the bigotry that grips America,” the NYU Muslim Students Association said in a Facebook posting.

School spokesman Kathleen Hamilton said the school has a lot of immigrant students, with about 20% from abroad.

“It’s a real melting pot here,” she said. “We all believe this very much, that the university is a place of free expression. It has to be safe to be so.”

The NYPD is investigating. There were no cameras, and the school isn’t sure whether a student is responsible, Hamilton said. She noted that all NYU buildings require a badge for access.
Graffiti in high school: ‘Trump,’ ‘Whites only,’ ‘White America’

Student Moses Karngbaye said he was terrified to see racist graffiti sprawled inside a bathroom in his Minnesota high school. …

Nazi-themed graffiti in Philadelphia

The Anti-Defamation League has decried Nazi-themed graffiti that appeared in South Philadelphia.

“We are horrified by the appearance of hate graffiti on a storefront in South Philadelphia,” said Nancy K. Baron-Baer, the organization’s regional director, in a statement posted Wednesday on the group’s website. “Swastikas and the Nazi salute send a message of intolerance and hate to the entire community. The fact that today is the 78th anniversary of Kristallnacht adds another layer to this already sickening act.”

Kristallnacht was when Nazis rampaged through German towns on November 9-10, 1938, smashing stores and windows of buildings owned by Jews. The name of the incident, also known as “Night of the Broken Glass,” refers to the shards of glass left on sidewalks.

Baron-Baer said the group views the graffiti as an isolated incident but stressed that “we cannot allow this behavior to become routine.”

Philadelphia police reported several incidents in which walls and vehicles were defaced. So far no arrests have been made.

The words “Sieg Heil 2016” and “Trump” – with a swastika substituted for the T in Trump – were spray-painted on a building’s glass window on South Broad Street, police said.

The words “Trump Rules,” “Trump Rules Black [expletive]” and the letter “T” were spray-painted on three vehicles and a house on South Sixth Street. Police said surveillance video captured a male of unknown race doing the spray-painting about 5 a.m. Wednesday.

A swastika and “Trump” were written on a utility box at Broad and Reed streets.

It was unclear if the graffiti was a protest of Trump or a pro-Nazi act.

[elucidator]

They are not us, they are not even them.

No doubt, the number of evil and violent racists of the David Duke stripe is more. But most of them are simply angry and confused. I imagine that most of them don’t believe that these things are so, just more liberal lies, trying to tear down The Donald.

Not that it helps all that much. They don’t know any Muslims, few blacks, no gays. When Obamacare is boned, and their brother in law calls hoping for money to get medicine for their niece, then they will know. Or maybe they’ll just find a way to believe its our fault.

And so it goes.

[octopus]

@madmonk28

I don’t know they exist, when it does occur it is terrible. You should call them out when they happen.

There are many, many incidents piling up of Trump supporters committing violence and acts of intimidation. Not just saying “someone is stinky” (which by the way, is an incredibly telling comment by you to minimize overt racism to intimidate a person of color), but also acts of violence.

If you can’t distinguish the difference in magnitude between physical battery and “stinky” that’s on you. No matter how you try to twist it. You guys are clowns to claim that the act of pointing out the difference in magnitude is actually a problem.

[octopus]

@xenophon41

I gotta ask, octopus, why do you think you need to bullshit about what “liberals” are willing to allow from “our side”? Yeah, there’s been rioting and incidents of violent behavior in the name of anti-Trumpism or even progressivism. This is anathema to progressives, and we’re forced to say that every time.

“We” very prominently shut down violent rhetoric on “our” side, “our” candidates make inclusiveness a rallying call, “our” President came to prominence with a “there’s no red or blue American, there’s only America” speech, and he campaigned that way and he tried to govern that way. Our latest candidate for President based her campaign on being “stronger Together” and made it very clear in speech after speech that this included all Americans regardless of political stripe.

Answering the real and obvious actual racist talk, racist campaign promises, racist staff selections and racist past of the Trump campaign with stories of “liberal violence” is bullshit.

That’s bullshit. Left wing violence is down played or not even covered by the left wing media while fantasies of right wing violence are fretted about continuously. Only in "progressive"ville does random acts of name calling outweigh organized violence and intimidation.

Now obviously if any Trump supporters break the law they should be arrested. Hopefully the police don’t stand around and give them a “place to destroy” like in left wing run cities.

[SteveG1]

@octopus

That’s bullshit. Left wing violence is down played or not even covered by the left wing media while fantasies of right wing violence are fretted about continuously. Only in "progressive"ville does random acts of name calling outweigh organized violence and intimidation.

Now obviously if any Trump supporters break the law they should be arrested. Hopefully the police don’t stand around and give them a “place to destroy” like in left wing run cities.

And that’s bullshit.

[madmonk28]

Finally, a sign of us coming together. A man told a woman wearing a hijab to take it off or he was going to set her on fire, and she did! USA! USA! USA!

University of Michigan student wearing a hijab was threatened with being set...

[IBuildEm]

The party that advocates for stronger gun control wants an armed revolution with the party that has all the guns. Straight dope is about as partisan as Reddit in politics. left is crying because they didn’t get their way.

and i quote

“It’s like a Cleveland Indians baseball fan yelling that his team won a majority of the runs scored in all seven games. Well, sorry, but the Cubs won four of the seven games, and that’s how the World Series is decided. Trump won the Electoral College vote and that’s how the Presidency is decided under the Constitution”

@madmonk28

Can you all stop with this moronic “now’s the time to pull together as Americans nonsense? That’s not happening. When you voted for Trump you specifically voted against an America where we all pull together. You voted for racism and divisiveness. This isn’t Mitt Romney, we’re not arguing about the tax rate for the top 1%. You voted for racism. You rang a bell that can’t be un-rung. Reading between the lines of this “we’re all Americans” sentiment, I see that the guilt of what you have done is already sinking in. You want us to make you feel better and give you a pass. The fact is that because of what you’ve done, we’re not all Americans; your version of America is in direct contrast with my version of America. Because of what you’ve done, we’ll never all be in the same America again.

Donald Trump ran a campaign that asked voters to choose: us or them. I choose them. I choose my brown, black, straight, gay, trans, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Baha’i brothers and sisters. I choose them; I choose them even if you and I have known each in real life for years and I’ve never met them. I choose them even if you and I are related. I choose them because by voting for Trump you forced me to choose.

Have anyone else noticed that all these people talking about putting aside our differences and giving Trump a chance are white? This is one of those times where we need to check our privilege. We can go back to our lives and smugly say “don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for him” because deep down we know we’ll be ok. Our black, brown, gay and non-Christian brothers and sisters won’t be ok, they are incredibly vulnerable. When we talk about coming together we mean white people coming together and saying to the rest of the country" sucks to be you." We’re saying we are going to support a candidate endorsed by the Klan so that Thanksgiving won’t be awkward. Maybe if you cast a racist vote, you’ve earned some awkwardness, maybe you being made to feel bad for what you’ve done is exactly what should happen.

(This is just to make me feel a little better, I’m kind of used to being ignored here, carry on.)

@aldiboronti

So what’s your alternative? Armed revolution? Rioting in the streets? You would have zero chance of winning and would lose the sympathy of the great mass of American people. Every time a Republican President takes office the Left act as if it’s the end of the world and take to the streets saying they won’t accept the result. Who are behaving more like Fascists here, Trump or the people rioting and refusing to accept the political process?

You lost. Behave like Americans. Make all the peaceful protests you want and organize to win the next one in 4 years. To do otherwise is a slap in the face to Obama and to the country itself.

[madmonk28]

Sorry, where is the call for armed revolution? It’s not in your quotes.

[Drunky_Smurf]

So many hurt butts. So many. I can’t help but laugh at all the retarditity. Congratulations this is probably the most retarded thread ever. And for The Dope that’s saying something.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@octopus

That’s bullshit. Left wing violence is down played or not even covered by the left wing media while fantasies of right wing violence are fretted about continuously.

This is just precious.

Once you go down the path of “I’m right, but the secret media cabal is covering up The Truth that only I know”… You’re pretty much done, right there.

You have no evidence, therefore someone is hiding the evidence. Pathetic.

[junior18]

Given the actions of the so-called “Progressives” after the election, I think it’s time for all of you to shut the hell up. You lost. Get over it. Go to your safe spaces; huddle together; cry and bitch, and shut the hell up. This was a referendum. The rest of the country is sick of you idiots doing your damnedest to ruin this country. Trump was never called a racist, homo-phobe, or whatever you idiots want to call him until he ran against your beloved criminal Hillary. You desperate losers are grasping at straws… using whatever liberal rhetoric you can to justify your disgusting hate. Your disgusting, hate-filled actions have only served to illustrate to the sane people of this country why they rallied to defeat you America-hating degenerates. So please, keep it up. Continue looting. Continue threatening the life of President elect. Continue acting like petulant, entitled, immature, ungrateful losers. It’s amazing. Thank you.

[madmonk28]

@Drunky_Smurf

So many hurt butts. So many. I can’t help but laugh at all the retarditity. Congratulations this is probably the most retarded thread ever. And for The Dope that’s saying something.

Don’t you literally live in your mother’s basement?

[octopus]

@Euphonious_Polemic

This is just precious.

Once you go down the path of “I’m right, but the secret media cabal is covering up The Truth that only I know”… You’re pretty much done, right there.

You have no evidence, therefore someone is hiding the evidence. Pathetic.

What you talking about, fool? I was watching MSNBC covering the “peaceful” protests with no mention of the violence in the riots. At the same time the violence in the riots was being broadcast on various internet sites. And no it’s not a “cabal.” It’s certain biased organizations not broadcasting stuff that runs counter to their narrative.

So there is obviously evidence, dummy. It’s just you can tell by what media outlet covers or editorializes on what subject which way they lean. Dishonestly framing my argument as you did is what’s pathetic.

I’m sure you’d be quick to critique Fox’s biases in their coverage or lack of coverage. Does that make you a pathetic conspiracy nut?

[Larry_Borgia]

@Drunky_Smurf

So many hurt butts. So many. I can’t help but laugh at all the retarditity. Congratulations this is probably the most retarded thread ever. And for The Dope that’s saying something.

You know you’re just as fucked as everybody else, right? I’m not super long for the world, I don’t have kids and I don’t like people. The election of Donald Fucking Trump to the presidency is pretty funny. You guys know the Presidency is not an entry level position, right? Maybe not. I hope none of you Trumpers have kids.

[Waymore]

@Bryan_Ekers

I’ll hazard a guess that Waymore was not anticipating this reaction to his off-the-cuff remark.

What reaction? Liberals in a tizzy? I’ve seen tons of it since last week. Not surprising at all.

[Waymore]

@madmonk28

FWIW: http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~jessegra/papers/GrahamHaidtNosek.2009.Moral%20foundations%20of%20liberals%20and%20conservatives.JPSP.pdf

Academics slandering the right. What a novel concept.

[elucidator]

You can see right there what all that book-learnin’ will do for you!