Now you're making stuff up. [Obama's citizenship]

Wrong on both counts. Demons would have to be idiots to always lie, because in the long run that’s the same as saying nothing, as no one would ever listen. As for the Lord of Hosts, consider this passage from the18th chapter of Genesis:

God clearly lies here. And with good reason: there was no point in telling Abraham the bald true, as it would simply hurt his feelings for no good reason. But God can, in fact, lie.

Well, he could if he existed. But the notion that God is incapable of obfuscation is as untrue as the notion that Vulcans are.

Never mind.

I’m not getting the lie.

Upon overhearing the prophecy that she would have a child, Sarah laughed and said “Seems unlikely. My hubby’s really, really old.” The clear subtext being that his winkie no workie no morie.

The Lord of Hosts, relatiing this to Abraham, claimed that she laughed and said “Seems unlikely. I am very old.” The clear subtext being that she was mocking her own no-longer-functional plumbing.

The LoH is sparing Abraham’s feelings with a lie.

If I may help you, here’s (to me) a much more clear lie:

See, that’s what I don’t get about Obama being born in Kenya-his mother was a citizen of the US. So wouldn’t he have been one automatically?

Not a lie : in Eden, man was immortal AFAIK. Outside, we die. OK, so it was something of a Ben Kenobi-ism, “true from a certain point of view”, but still, not an outright lie.

Ah! A religion I could get behind.

Just wanted to add that the sources you quote are contradictory, perhaps the result of not knowing Hawaii has had at least three queens.

The Queen’s Medical Center is not the same as the Kapi’olani hospitals. Queen’s (as it is called) was named for Queen Emma, who founded it with her husband. It’s located in downtown, near the capitol building. Emma was the niece of Kapi’olani, who now has two medical centers named for her: one, the one for Women and Children, about 2 miles from Queen’s, and the other near Pearl Harbor, called Pali Momi.

At least they have the dates consistent.

What about *in the day that thou eatest thereof *? Does that not mean you’ll shed this mortal coil the same day?

What I can’t get is *how *promiscuity and abortions worship Baal. I mean, they aren’t even concrete nouns?

When’s the last time you saw a promiscuity saunter in a Temple of Baal for fuck’s sake?

Well, yes. And on the very day they ate the fruit, they were voted off the Island and turned into mortals. Which, to an eternal being, is like being dead already - isn’t a thousand years the same as a day to God ?

(Man, it’s so easy to bullshit with religion :p)

Divine revelation, but I really don’t care where he was born as God will provide for me no matter what demon rules this country. I think there is enough evidence that suggests that Obama was not born in the US to make the scenario that humans have lost total control of the presidency a real (but perhaps remote, perhaps not) possibility.

AFAIK this is the only case in history where a actual ‘president’ would be barred from being president by law (again if Obama was born outside the US). If this is the case Obama would have no authority at all in that office and he would be a puppet.

Quite. However, he might not have fit the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution, depending on how it’s interpreted.

Ever hear of Planned Parenthood, one of the many temples of Baal, where children are cut up and incinerated. Human sacrifice has been a aspect of worship for a very long time.

Yeah, but we’ll get it back in four (or eight) years anyway. It’s the beauty of democracy!

Anyway, demonic rule is still an improvement over the last guy.

Yes-but the wingnuts argument (is it really fair to call if an argument if it doesn’t hold water?) is that supposedly in 1961 in the US your child was only considered a citizen if you, yourself, had been an a citizen for ten years and five of that had to be after age 14–his mother was only 18 at the time he was born, thus they argue she was a year shy of this requirement and thus he was not a natural born citizen.

But the problem lies in that only applies if your child was born OUTSIDE the US. Oops. The wingnuts always conveniently forget that part, or parlay it into why his being born in Kenya is so important.

Funny thing is there is no Passport or other official recognition of his mother EVER going to Kenya as far as I know. You wouldn’t think a 18 year old mother would be so clever as to be able to slip by both the US and Kenyan government pass port portals.

I’m pretty sure Andrew Jackson had a few nutcases up in arms because they suspected he wasn’t born in the United States. I don’t recall if demons took over that time or not.

You are a Grade-A nutcase, ya know that?

Possibly not under the laws of the time. There was an age restriction that Obama’s mother would not have passed.

The law may have not had the effect of denying him citizenship at birth because of his mother’s age, but that’s not clear legally. However, tt’s moot because he was born in the US.