Lol, that’s hilarious - when your layers of camouflage start working against each other. You could make the “traditional Chinese gift” argument (badly), but not if you also try to hide the red envelope inside a chip bag
Cuomo admitting that he is holding conversations with Trump seems a peculiar method for attracting votes in a jurisdiction that pretty much hates our Big Beautiful Orange President.
I think the national leadership does recognize the moment. It seems like the vocal majority in this forum feel that the way back to power for the left is to steer towards the radical and progressive. I think that’s the way to ensure we will be talking about President Vance in the not to distant future. This year’s elections are relatively unimportant compared to other years. Narionally the NYC mayor’s race doesn’t mean much. What can mean a lot is the party’s national leadership putting their weight behind a socialist. At the very bottom of the list of who Americans would even consider voting for are socialists. That’s below atheist. Below gay. Far below any ethnic group. Backing socialism is a losing proposition for the foreseeable future. The election of a mayor even in NYC is not important enough to the big picture to push anything that will hurt.
Even if you’re right, then that means the party leadership is guaranteeing their own extinction, since it’s incredibly clear that the Democratic party faithful want active fighters, not kowtowers and do-nothings.
And I think you’re wrong on socialism. Things change. Maybe we’ll find out.
Active fighters don’t have to be socialists. I agree they need aggressive candidates to lead the fight.
I don’t know if they did a similar poll in 2024. It would be interesting to see how much it changed in 4 years. Of course Democrats are much more likely to vote for a socialist than republicans but the numbers for independents aren’t good either.
I don’t think that tells us much. Maybe they wouldn’t vote for a hypothetical socialist, but what about a real, charismatic, intelligent socialist who can change some minds? We don’t know for sure until/unless one gets a nomination for president, which is likely to happen reasonably soon.
Things is, that to be precise, he is a Democratic Socialist, like Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a democratic socialist and an admirer of aspects of Nordic social democracy, while also supporting workplace democracy in the forms of union democracy and worker cooperatives.
Now, if one can show that Vermont is an economic and social hellhole, that would be news.
Newsom is very actively fighting, and he’s a staunch Liberal. How vigorously you fight Trump is a very important variable, but it is by no means on the same axis as how far Left you are.
See also: all the Green Party and DSA voters who stayed home rather than supporting Kamala. Literally anyone who voted Democrat is a more aggressive fighter for Democracy than they are.
Agree with this. But current Dem leadership seems lacking.
Have any won election as state governor or other important office in a blue state? If a socialist can’t win in a deep blue state then I don’t believe one will have a chance nationally.
Bernie Sanders is the obvious answer, for statewide office. I expect we’ll see AOC run for statewide office or maybe even President in the next few years, so that will be another test.
I think the Dems need to do something different, and to refocus on economic issues, but that thing probably isn’t socialism - at least not without some major changes. When has genuine socialism ever worked, rather than Scandinavian-style capitalism with a welfare state?