Oak's College Pick'em '11

I am sure you are putting 20 confidence points on that matchup :cool:

BTW, did you save your picks yet? It looks like you haven’t submitted your picks.

Well even Citadel didn’t manage an upset. But plenty of others did! And Big Dogs, too.

I must take the opportunity for my one brag of the season. At least I won one week while covering the bottom of the barrel except for the two who dropped out!

Maybe my luck has turned, but I’m going to be pulling even more for favorite teams rather than the ones I expect to win.

Auburn for example!

Ain’t it lovely how one division (not just one conference) is dominating the top slots in the rankings? Does anybody get the feeling the SEC may add one more BCS National Champion to the stack?

Well, we beat the point spread. Do I get any points for that?

Looks like 4 of the top 10 lost this weekend (both Okies, Oregon and Clemson), while the SEC was taking their annual week devoted to beating up on widows and orphans. Just about guarantees an LSU - Alabama rematch. Oh, joy.

Other conferences to their cremepuff feasting in September while the SEC is already playing conference games.

The SEC model is working well, doncha think?

One certainly can’t argue with their success; and there’s no reason not to play an OOC game in November. But seriously…why would any BCS school should schedule an FCS school at any time of year. If the SEC is going to swagger around and claim to be the absolute cream of college football, they’re just embarrassing themselves by scheduling Furman and Georgia Southern.

Very true from the competition perspective. But don’t the 1-AA schools make a good bit of money off those games? Hell, it could be half the athletic program budget for the year for all I know. The big boys get a breather and the little guy gets some much needed cash (and TV exposure). If all the major conferences stopped scheduling the 1-AA homecoming patsy, I’m guessing the small schools would complain vociferously.

You might find some insights into this issue at What are the Must See OOC College Football Games of 2011? where, among other things, there’s a link to Breaking down the 2011 schedules at which there’s this breakdown:

As I see it, the SEC is no more a villain in this arena than other Big Six conferences.

The SEC plays 4 OOC games per year, just like the ACC, Big 10, and the Big 12 did (prior to this year).

What difference does it make when they play them. It makes perfect sense to me to schedule a cupcake late in the year. To rest up, to possibly play the second and third strings.

No one complains much when USCe beat UGA on the 2nd weekend this year.

Makes no difference to me, either.

But there are OOC games; and then there are cupcakes; and then there are FCS games. Every school should (IMHO) try to schedule an A-B-C OOC schedule (one powerhouse matchup, one middle of the pack school from a good conference, and one cupcake. But a cupcake is Colorado State, New Mexico or Minnesota…not Furman.

It happens at many (if not most) schools that schedules are made years in advance. This precludes an accurate view of which teams will be cupcakes and which won’t. I’d wager that Michigan would enjoy rescheduling that Appy State game which may have been a turning point in their “power rating” that’s still going on.

Almost getting beat by Utah State still stings at Auburn, too.

Those games can hurt a team as well. Undefeated Auburn was shut out of the Nat’l Championship game in 2004 when their OOC schedule was La Monroe, La Tech, and The Citadel.

Oklahoma and USCw was in the Nat’l Championship game that year.

Auburn has no one to blame but themselves.

As far as Furman goes, (or whatever Cupcake), they earned a boatload of money last weekend for a trip to the SWAMP. Probably paid for the football budget for the year. If they went and played Idaho St, how much money would they have received?

Yes, I would like Auburn and Bama and Florida play Blockbuster games every week, but if these games didn’t exist, small football programs would not exist.

Ah, I see now…it’s all part of their plan for charitable giving, to the Little Guys of the football world. How noble! :wink:

Agreed with Zeldar that OOC scheduling years in advance is a crapshoot – you stand the chance that your cupcake C game turns into your powerhouse A game, or vice versa. But for the good of the game and competition and for the fans, you’ve got to give it a shot.

If the problem is Auburn almost getting beat by Utah State…the solution is to improve Auburn’s program, not to degrade Auburn’s schedule.

So the big schools should schedule games just so they meet your approval?

The NCAA allows it, the cupcakes apparently don’t mind, the stands are (near) sell-outs, etc.

And they do get penalized in the Computer polls. Beating the Citadel did not do much for USCe ranking, other that teams lost. If they had beaten Va Tech, they probably would have shot into the top 10

No matter what method you appeal to to try to establish a reasonable schedule mix of strong, weak and moderate teams, your method will fail as often as not.

Rather than rehash the one I’ve been using this season, I will refer you to this post from early this thread in which the early games had a wide divergence of “strength” based on Sagarin’s rankings from January.

Appealing to Sagarin’s most recent list here’s how this week’s games break out:



 @(9)Oregon          vs Oregon St.       Sat 11/26 02:30pm    5  82  77 
 @Mississippi St.    vs Mississippi      Sat 11/26 06:00pm   40 106  66 
 @(7)Boise St.       vs Wyoming          Sat 11/26 01:00pm    8  72  64 
 @Kentucky           vs Tennessee        Sat 11/26 11:20am   92  45  47 
 @Northwestern       vs (11)Michigan St. Sat 11/26 11:00am   60  20  40 
 @(10)USC            vs UCLA             Sat 11/26 09:00pm   15  52  37 
 @Auburn             vs (2)Alabama       Sat 11/26 02:30pm   35   2  33 
 @(17)Michigan       vs Ohio St.         Sat 11/26 11:00am   13  44  31  
 @(21)Baylor         vs Texas Tech       Sat 11/26 06:00pm   12  43  31 
 @(24)Virginia       vs (6)Virginia Tech Sat 11/26 02:30pm   50  22  28 
 @(12)Oklahoma       vs Iowa St.         Sat 11/26 11:00am    4  29  25   
 @(25)Georgia Tech   vs (13)Georgia      Sat 11/26 11:00am   37  14  23  
 @(4)Stanford        vs (22)Notre Dame   Sat 11/26 07:00pm    6  25  19  
 @(22)Nebraska       vs Iowa             Fri 11/25 11:00am   24  42  18  
 @Wake Forest        vs Vanderbilt       Sat 11/26 02:30pm   61  51  10  
 @(14)South Carolina vs (18)Clemson      Sat 11/26 06:45pm   17  27  10  
 @Tulsa              vs (8)Houston       Fri 11/25 11:00am   26  19   7  
 @(1)LSU             vs (3)Arkansas      Fri 11/25 01:30pm    1   7   6  
 @(15)Wisconsin      vs (20)Penn St.     Sat 11/26 02:30pm   18  23   5  
 @Florida            vs Florida St.      Sat 11/26 06:00pm   28  30   2  


However you want to apply break points for “close” or “not so close” team ranking differences, even this late in the season those differences are worth a little scrutiny. These are the “premium games” in most cases. As I read it, even the “important” games are hard to predict even a week away, much less a season or two or more away.

I think I can safely predict, without the aid of a crystal ball, that a game in 2013 between Florida and Furman is not going to be Important.

I will stop beating this horse, now. I think the practice of routinely scheduling FCS schools is indefensible; apparently that’s not true. :slight_smile:

20 games up this week, and several of them are rivalry games. The Egg Bowl, The Iron Bowl, and a bunch of games in the lesser conferences as well.

Got some upsets for ya:

Georgia State at home over Georgia

Florida at home over Florida State

Emphasis Mine

State?

Watcha Talking about Willis!?!?!?!? :dubious::frowning:

He meant Georgia Tech, not Georgia State. I think.

Oops…that is what happens when I post at 5:40 AM. ** Jsc1953** is right, I meant Georgia Tech over Georgia.

I knew what you meant. I mean I am the “RamblinWreckage” in the pool. I was just insulted Mildly. {Wink} {Wink}.

BTW, it is the game of “Clean, Good Old Fashion Hate”

How 'bout dem Dawgs!

Piss on em!