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Race was injected into the situation when Zimmerman first thought, then said, “Fucking coons”. Not when Obama chose to be black. Clear now?
Isn’t this a satire of current republican tactics? The attack them where they’re strong bit, so if people think Obama’s professorial style is a plus keep trying to paint him as a hot-head-instead.
Also in case you’ve missed it Harry, Michelle Obama is black as well, any kids they had would be pretty damn black.
Yes, but, apparently you aren’t.
I make/made no mention of race, at all. You are confusing me/my post with something/someone else.
Clear now???
are you confusing me with** HappyLedervede**r???
In a perfect world I would prefer if the president would keep out of local issues altogether. Especially something that hasn’t even reached a conclusion at the county level let alone at the state level. But I understand he is a politician and it’s now a political issue so he needs to say something. In general I don’t have a problem with what he said.
Thanks for taking the time to get my name right. I know how difficult scrolling up can be in this economy.
Assuming the peculiar phrasing here is just pretentious sarcasm, you seem to have overlooked the key fact:
The case for the crazy Iraq war was based on Bush Administration lies. The mythical liberals who have no respect for Republicans apparently did have enough respect not to suspect that the case for War was fabricated and based on nothing but despicable hypocrisy and greed.
One would hope progressive-thinking Americans will be wiser in future.
Those attacking ralph124c may be unaware that he is following the views of Republican intellectual leaders like Newt Gingrich and Glenn Beck:
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What the president said, in a sense, is disgraceful…
Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot, that would be OK because it didn’t look like him. That’s just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian American of if he’d been a Native American. At some point, we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.
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(I wanted to include a quote from Beck, so I clicked to a site I’ve never visited before – theblaze.com – but was so overwhelmed by the level of nonsense that I backed out quickly, before getting a quote.)
This post is just really confused. Trayvon Martin’s mother, Sabrina Fulton, is not Peruvian. Martin had no connection at all to Peru (well, other than being killed by a half-Peruvian man).
George Zimmerman’s mother is Gladys Zimmerman, and she is from Peru. I have no idea what her maiden name was; not Zimmerman and likely not Gladys, either, but perhaps.
ETA to weigh in on the thread: Obama’s comment was certainly acknowledging the racial element as well as moving the dialogue in the direction of a parent’s grief over the loss of a child. Since the race element had already come up, I felt he dealt with it appropriately.
That was my first thought. “Yeah, sure the kid looked suspicious, just like my son would look suspicious.”
And this was my second thought. So I concluded that some folks are angry because Mr Obama is still black, and that the days when you could just shoot uppity negroes may be coming to an end.
My third thought was that someone had checked what previous presidents had said in similar incidents, and then set it up for racists to walk into a gotcha. But it looks like the president was speaking off the cuff? In which case, even less reason to criticise the slightly clumsy phrasing.
He “needed” to say something because he was asked about it by a reporter. He didn’t offer up his comments out of the blue. Now, he could have just said “no comment”, but then he’d be chastised for being afraid to say anything.
It’s a no-win situation for him, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to micro-parse his off-the-cuff comments as some have done in this thread. Parse the shit out of anything he says in a prepared speech, but this was extemporaneous. I tend to think it best to give folks the benefit of the doubt in those instances.
That’s why I said I had no problem with it. Though I doubt it was that off the cuff. It was a pretty obvious thing to be asked about and a subject likely to get a useful soundbite.
Okay, so the “son” comment was a little odd. I recall a certain W who said something absurd and/or stupid pretty much every time he opened his mouth.
I am not at all sure it is ever appropriate for any president to comment publicly on such matters; strikes me it is short-circuiting the chain of command.
That said, I saw nothing wrong with what he did say.
Well, if you were 1/10th as lazy as me, you’d know about how difficult scrolling can be in any economy!
Sorry about that, Happy Lendervedder. :smack:
If the shooting victim had been white, and the President white, would you still be saying that the President was unnecessarily bringing race into it? Somehow, I think not.
I think it would still be an odd thing to say. In fact, I’d say he/she was being self absorbed by creating an imaginary child.
There are alleged racial over tones to this killing but we don’t know yet and nor does the President. Watching the clip posted by Black Rabbit it seems even more inartful of the President. Not the end of the world just that he might nave been a little more diplomatic as this thing plays out.
Yes we do. It doesn’t really matter what was in Zimmerman’s head at the time; his racism or lack thereof aside, the public discourse, including this thread, is what makes it a racial incident. If race weren’t a factor, nobody would be mentioning race. That dominates the discussion, though, so… Q.E.D.
The racial overtones may have been placed on it after the fact,* but they were certainly present long before Obama’s statement.
*ETA: though I don’t believe they were.
He should not have added to it then. A simple comment that he feels for the
family and that he expects a full and proper investigation etc. His coments were odd and could be misconstrued (and clearly have been). So it was a strange series of comments to make particularly for a guy who is usually very diplomatic.
I disagree.
If Clinton had said that there would calls for exhumation and paternity testing. 