yep, bring a whole new meaning to “unarmed” these movies do.
a. obi-wan decided to walk the jedi path and leave anakin to the fate of the force.
b. he felt the emp. was in the vicinity and knew he had to get out of there.
c. anakin did have his pros. working. don’t want to get to close to that.
d. padme needed medical attention. obi-wan knew he couldn’t do anything for anakin himself, but he might be able to care for and protect padme.
i’m sure he spent 20 years on tat. thinking about the last moments with anakin. that is no doubt why he came up with a most interesting interpretation of history.
anakin’s power within the force was diminished with his injuries. when the emp. told him padme was dead, he tried to kill the emp. but was unable to. he did wreck the room a bit.
I skimmed through the Visual Dictionary of ROTS and it said that Vader can’t do Force lightning like the Emperor because his hands are machines and not biological. I think that confirms Vader’s diminished awesomeness.
Huh? I’ve only seen it once, but I sure didn’t get the idea that Vader was trying to kill the emperor in the now infamous “NOOOOOOO!” scene. Did anyone else see it that way? It looked to me like he was just having a tantrum and breaking stuff. Besides, it was his own fault (sort of) that Padme was dead, not Palpatine’s.
I still don’t see what problem people have with this. Luke was on the Death Star, and Vader didn’t sense him. Nor did Vader sense Luke when in orbit over Tatooine. But the Emperor, all the way on Coruscant, could sense Luke during his attack on the Death Star. Why?
Usage of the Force. When not using the Force, even a powerful potential Jedi won’t necessarily set off any “Jedi” alarms, particularly with Obi-Wan and Yoda working to cloud the Sith’s view of the Force.
About who’s fault it was. Remember, Anakin fell to the Dark Side because of promises that Palpatine could save Padme (whether or not Palpatine qualified those promises is another matter). Padme died nevertheless.
I don’t see how. If Vader dies, Palpy is still emperor, Leia is still a rebel, and Grand Moff Tarkin presumably is still evil enough to blow up Alderaan.
On Obi-Wan ignoring young Luke on Tatooine: There’s more here than meets the eye. When Luke first hears Leia’s hologram say, “Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you’re our only hope”, he says, “I wonder if she means Old Ben Kenobi.” That implies that Luke has had sufficient contact with Ben to make that association (know his first and last name, for instance.) Uncle Owen denies it, “That crazy old hermit” (I forget the words.) So, there’s implication that Ben has been in contact with Luke, not just hiding… but hasn’t had the conversation about his father etc. Even then, the first conversation with Luke about his father is very misleading – implies lots of guilt, or fear of facing the facts, or interpreting the events oddly (that Vader is a different person than Annakin.)
If you recall, the turning of Anakin is pretty clearly rooted in his memory of his mother dying. That instills the loss of fear and is the seed that Sid has planted in a long elaborate scheme (that is part of a so ingenious plan that I must say Sid seems to be the smartest person in the whole SW universe most of the time) to turn Anakin. And it is often implied that the Jedi partly deserve their fall, because they have become too arrogant (something which could have been played out better in the series, imho).
Then, in the original trilogy, but the seed already planted in the last episode with the hiding of the children, the roles reverse - the underdog basically develops a similar elaborate plan to bring the Emperor down. One of the things they’ve learnt from the turning of Anakin is to make sure Luke doesn’t have to face the fearful concept of his father being a bad guy until he’s ready to deal.
Take this as “fan wankage” if you will, but based on the Ep3 novel, that’s not true. There’s a bit in there about a discussion between Dooku and Sidious at the beginning (as Kenobi and Anakin are coming to “rescue” Palpatine), and Dooku’s understanding of the plan (which turns out to be a lie) is that they were supposed to kill Kenobi, turn Anakin, destroy the Jedi, and build a “Sith Army” from non-Jedi force users. In the EU, there’s been a lot of mention about individuals (or even whole races) with sensitivity to the Force who were not Jedi, either because the Jedi didn’t know about them or the Force sensitives rejected the Jedi.
Probably true. Although if you believe the theory that Palpatine used Dath Plagiues’s power to manipulate midichlorians to cause Anakin’s virgin birth, he’d have a method of generating a new powerful apprentice in 20 or so years. Heck, maybe the Kaminoins could use their “growth enhancement” method they used on the clones to speed that up.
For illustrative purposes, here’s what Star Wars, Episode 4: Full Disclosure might be like:
Luke, 3PO, and R2D2 are with Obi-Wan Kenobi in Kenobi’s Tatooine house.
Luke: How did my father die? Obi-Wan: Ahem. Well, actually, he didn’t die. Just before you were born, he pledged allegiance to a Sith Lord who changed your father’s name to Darth Vader. The Sith Lord then became the Emperor and ordered your father to murder a large number of Jedi Knights, young Padawans, and various other beings who might prove inconvenient if left alive. I myself was nearly killed by your father, but I did manage to hack off three of his limbs and leave him to die next to the pool of fiery lava that burned what was left of him pretty much to a crisp. Somehow, though, he survived and the Emperor had him fitted with a cybernetic life-support suit. Right after you were born, your mother died, so I brought you here to be raised by your aunt and uncle, who aren’t really your blood relatives at all. Now your father is the second-most powerful and feared man in the Empire, and if he knew you were alive, he would either kill you or try to turn you to the dark side of the force.
Well, then. Will you help me take these droids to Alderaan?
Yes, and also a mirror to Luke in RotJ. Except there, the time WAS ripe for Anakin to be rehabilitated.
In the grand scheme of things, as horrible as the Clone Wars, destruction of the Jedi Order, and years of Imperial rule were, they also served as a sort of forest fire that burned away the old brush–the Senate and Old Republic weren’t doing so hot anymore, the people of the galaxy didn’t get along much with each other, the Jedi were arrogant, and those Sith were still around. Plus, it taught them some good lessons about the dangers of using clones and battle droids.
By the way, Darth Sidious and his minions attempted to kill Kenobi six times in the first two movies and at least five times that I can recall in Ep III alone. All 11 attempts, of course, failed.
So if “The Galactic Empire is only as powerful as it is because of Obi-Wan Kenobi,” then it’s only so due to their own incompetence. How ironic.
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