The Siths have got a hell of a health care plan. You can kill a Jedi with a bad cold.
I don’t think they’re going to be able to reconcile a ‘redemption arc’ for Kenobi…and square it with him being a lying POS to Luke. Even aside from “A certain point of view”…there’s still “Your father wanted you to have this light saber”…then they get Owen and Aunt Beru killed*. With little remorse from anyone.
Luke succeeds because he takes the Jedi teachings to heart and doesn’t bend things. Even if Luke is a little naive.
- By the way, even though we will probably never see it. I always assumed Vader was personally on hand there. And ordered them to be burned himself.
Yeah.
There is nothing in Kenobi, Leia, or Luke that needs further development.
So did we know Hayden Christensen was going to be in this series? He was listed in the credits. I assume that means either “new” flashbacks, or some scenes without the mask - it’s hardly worth bringing him back to just be inside the Vader suit with JEJ doing the voice.
I assumed that was him in the tank with the mask on, at the very end of Ep 2? (I don’t recall seeing his name in the credits at the end of Ep1, where all the Anakin flashbacks were.)
I did. There’s been a fair amount of publicity about his returning to the role, and how he watched Clone Wars and Rebels to familiarize himself with Anakin’s additional backstory. No spoilers about how much he appears, or what he’s going to do, but his presence in some capacity hasn’t really been kept secret.
Like Shoeless, I’m assuming that was him in the Bacta tank at the end of episode 2.
Huh. I never assumed that, or had any reason to. Was he at the Jawa slaughter, too?
If Obi-Wan knew Luke had to be trained eventually why didn’t he just raise him?
Leia is given a new name and raised as a princess, but Luke is given his father’s name and left with Anikin’s only known relatives? Brilliant idea.
The Inquisitors are searching the Galaxy for Jedi. So Obi-Wan hides near Luke, putting him in danger of discovery. They are really making Obi-Wan seem stupid.
“Needs”? No.
Anakin also did not need more development, yet Clone Wars did it well and entertainingly anyway.
Kenobi is not a great character. His leaving Anakin suffering to presumptively die a slow painful death instead of finishing him off was cruel, and of course had horrible consequences. A story of him rediscovering his arrogance does not appeal.
But in keeping with Rebels, his “ember” helping set off sparks of rebellion, despite his very flawed nature … might be a decent story there.
Its the Outer Rim!! The Empire has no authority…AIEEEEEEE
I mean, it’s not that much of a reach. Kenobi doesn’t really do much to hide himself other than to change his first name and bury his lightsaber out in the desert. Of course he lies to Luke about an easily-discovered fact. He’s somehow impressed with the precision shooting of stormtroopers even though they can’t hit the broad side of a bantha in full sunlight, and his first move upon getting Leia’s message is to head to Alderaan even though that is clearly the Empire’s first stop on the way to galactic dominance; in fact, if Han Solo had actually been as fast of a pilot as he’d claimed or they hadn’t spent so much extra time fucking around on Tatooine with bounty hunters and local crime lords, they would have been on the planet with the only extant copy of the plans in R2-D2 when it was destroyed by the Death Star, thus ending the film after the third reel with the Empire in complete control and Rebellion reduced to hiding out on random forest-moons and lifeless iceballs while being relentlessly pursued by Vader’s fleet of drones.
The real problem with all of the Star Wars prequels, sequels, sidequels, and ‘character studies’ is that the story was essentially tied off in the first film. They struck pay dirt on The Empire Strikes Back by subverting the tropes of the first film and overlaying on a more complex, Casablanca-inspired story, and to give Lucas credit he at least tried to do something new in the prequels, but there really just isn’t a lot of story based upon the incidental hooks from the original films, and the franchise owners actually seem kind of terrified in doing any real ‘worldbuilding’ or telling stories within the Star Wars universe not related to the Skywalker saga. Which is a real shame because visually Star Wars is the best realization of a classic space opera galactic empire with its battered spacefreighters and well-worn interiors and could theoretically be host to any number of independent stories. I had hopes for The Mandalorian as being an independent, spaghetti Western inspired story about residual power struggles on the fractured Empire between would-be warlords using former Imperial troops and equipment to vie with one another and ‘Mando’ being the Yojimbo caught between them and pitting them against one another but of course it almost immediately turned to ‘The Force’ and ‘Baby Yoda’ and the pseudo-morality play that culminates as another chapter in the Skywalker saga.
Stranger
Clearly I am saying more than literally needs. Every moment of backstory they have added beyond the original trilogy has actively diminished the characters. Yea, they’ve filled in the details, but those details have deleted the sense of wonder etc.
Andor is the show that has me scratching my head.
First…I keep thinking its a Star Trek show.
Second, I’m invested in Kenobi. We have decades of Obi-Wan appearances, Ewan is a very good actor and HE’S really invested it seems in this series. Andor? One movie.
I loved Rogue One, I liked all the characters. And trailer-wise Andor looks interesting, but its still a weird choice.
How long till we get Rogue One Two: Bothan Spies??
Watched the first two episodes last night. Clearly, Disney has decided that the winning formula is a badass warrior traveling across the galaxy in order to protect a cute kid.
Which, to be fair, is a pretty good formula. And the portrayal of Leia is great.
Out of curiosity, did you watch Clone Wars and Rebels? I was very late to them, having only watched both within this last year.
Clone Wars was a weak start but picked up and by the end it was better than any of the movies. Rebels as well.
There is plenty of room for great storytelling here, for fleshing out some of these characters in service of great storytelling, and for new ones that intersect with known events.
It may be that they won’t take those risks with the live action products.
I personally do not hold the originals with such reverence. They were fun, made great by some wonderful performances and chemistry amongst the leads, and special effects (including inspired muppetry) that were both a cut above for its time and that served the story. But diminishing those characters is not much of a risk in my estimation.
I hope they risk instead of just safely servicing fans.
Ever look back on your old comments about Clone Wars and such?
Yes.
Then on the persistent and repeated recommendation of others in those threads I gave the animated SWU a chance, sticking past the boring start of Clone Wars. And dang if those recommending them weren’t right! Oh some dreck besides the boring start in Clone Wars too, but overall those shows won me to the EU side. (Especially Ahsoka’s arc.)
THAT said I stand by the point made then and possibly pertinent now: fan service, be it of animated characters making cameos and stories that require animated EU prior viewing, or of hooks to the movies, are off putting to drawing in new viewers and a new generation of viewers. Having them is fine, nice extras for those who know, but a good story with characters we can within that show care about has to be there above all else. Seeing live action Ahsoka is of no matter if it is shoehorned forced in and not elevating the actual story.
IF all this show ends up being is exploitive fan service, cute child Leia, oh look C-3PO!, I know that ship!, oh that’s a character from Rebels! … then in my mind the naysayers here will be correct.
They probably will be. But they don’t have to be.
I think the actual title would be “Rogue Two: Many Bothans.”
Gonna be about Manny Both-Hanz, the greatest Rebel spy in galactic history. RIP, Manny B.
The first to go are the hands.