OBL tape is fake

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No. If Kerry were saying “give me a gun and some combat boots because I can do a better job,” then I’d agree with you. He’d be criticizing the troops.

He’s saying “put me in the White House because I can do a better job.” He’s said over and over that he believes the current administration didn’t give the military the resources they needed to get OBL (by doing things like pulling troops out and focusing on Iraq and Saddam Hussein).

Whether or not you agree with his claim, I can’t see how this is a criticism of the troops.

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Right, and anyone who says that they’d make a better parent than Susan Smith is saying that hate children.

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Yeah you’re right, fuck the servicemen and women losing their lives in Iraq. Let’s play fucking word games.
Just because you may NOT see it as a put down. Doesn’t mean some people don’t take it that way.
Do you think that US troops have had NO part in the hunt for Bin Laden and other “terrorists”?

spin did you say damn, that’s where this OP started. Thanks for putting it back on track.

You asked how could it be fake.

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Just a thought:

Why do some Muslims believe in all that conspiracy crap? Why do they always immediately think its a Western-CIA-Mossad-Reverse Vampire plot? Can’t they just accept OBL did it, and now make the immediate changes to prevent more of him rising up? (I know there needs to be a change in Western approach, but there has to be some give and take)

Talk about soviet revisionism making a comeback.

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Sure he did. By the way, quotation marks usually indicate that the words inside the marks are a quotation, rather than, say, something you just made up.

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It would appear that our own government is quite confident the footage is authentic. What is the point of this debate? Anything, in principle, could be faked; but is it likely to be? In this case, no, it isn’t. The OP is a masturbatory exercise in devils advocacy, as far as I can tell.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/30/binladen.tape/index.html

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I hate to ask the painfully obvious question, but my work hours have kept me in a nice little media free cave. Has the tape been authenticated yet? Last I had heard everybody and their grandmother was trying to figure out if the tape was real, and my grandmother says that she is tired and wants a nap.

Do we know for sure that the tape is accurate? Do I dare send my grandmother home?

From what I’ve heard quotewise from the tape, this certainly sounds like a more reasonable Osama. I’m not trying to defend the guy, but he seems to have cut back on the “death to the great satan” remarks. He sounds more like a guy who is running for president. :dubious: :confused:

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And of course this comes up right before my post. :smack: When will I learn to type faster. :smack:

Thanks loopy.

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I can better confess everything, now that a clever unknown has found out all about it:

Actually, that tape was made in one of my secret caves. I had a production team of GWB Fairy Tales Production Studios coming over (and if you think Haliburton Boys are costly… On afterthought I have to wonder if I would not have been better off with choosing that option to get quality for my money).

About the movie itself:

What you see and hear is me wearing a mask, false hair and beard, and doing very hard my best to sound as a rather tired OBL. This faked tiredness was adopted in the script at my insistence to make it more easy for me because faking that lazy voice is not easy for a man with a normal testosterone production.

I brought forward the proposal to insert some background noises like for example the sound of running water (as if I was sitting next to an underground river).
This was received with much enthousiasm but the plan failed completely since the director could not stop running to the bathroom. Seen the fact that he was a GWB Fairy Tales Production producer, he insisted on some weird facts of completely irrelevant luxury. Hence the bathroom he needed was located at a fair distance of the cave location.

Always out on giving friends the occasion to pick up a few crumbs of my table I wrote also a role for my pet bat, who was supposed to fly around my head and to wear a Dracula cape while sucking US’ers blood from US corpses that were flying through the air in a Tarzan-like setting.
This failed completely since she panicked because of these stupid overly giant GWB Fairy Tale Produciton Studiolights. Hence we had to scrap her first attempt to win a Hated USA Oscar. She is still shaking now and all upset, but gets private counseling from a Jewish psychiatrist specialised in the treatment of US Light Shock Terrorism on Abducted from Europe Arabized Bats.

After these both failures to make the show a bit more lively, I had one of my fishtanks brought in the cave to make it look as if we were filming underwater somewhere at the borders of the Red Sea, by which then one of my little blue sharks (scientific name escapes me at the moment) would be made a look a like of the creature in Jaws I. The plan was to feed him a US girl in front of the camera, underscoring my claim that people in the USA need to provide for their own security. The shark however got eaten prematurely by suddenly Growing to Giantic Proportions Moon Fish.
This was for me such a clear sign that the Moon God was present in the cave, watching all my doings closely and not wanting me to poison Creatures of the Sea with Hated US Blood, that I began to shake myself. (This on its turn had the benefit of my voice suddenly starting to sound much as we wanted it to sound.)

I had a few other ideas but we ran out of time because the GWB Fairy Tale Production Studios needed to go back to their home base to do the final cutting and pasting at a Fairy Tale Movie prepared to be released the night before Election Day.
This movie then shall count as the Bush Camp October Surprise. Michael Moore’s cutting and pasting is nothing in comparision and shall be completely knocked into the ground.

So now you have the whole story. Don’t bring it out ot the US public, because this stunt costed a small fortune and the GWB Fairy Tale Studios only want to pay back some of it if their Supreme Cadidate wins the election. Seen the poor state of the crashing $ I told them of course that I want it payed in Euros, but I’m not sure of it that they know what that is.
Salaam. A

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So what…are you actually attempting to debate that some people DON’T think Kerry’s comments are unpatriotic?

I know what he meant when he said “He could do a better job.” I also know what he meant when he implied that our troops could do a better job. This thread started out on the ability for one side to spin the facts to their advantage.

The original point of the thread was supposed to be how can the tape be used to influence an election by claiming that it is fake.
I said that it has influenced SOME people already because if they think the tape is FAKE and they think GWB and party are responsible for the tape. They will support Kerry.
Rather than if the tape is real. They will support Bush out of fear of another attack. That was the point in the beginning but people couldn’t seem to get it I guess. It wasn’t my idea, I just ran across it on Al Jazeera and thought it was interesting and where we’ve gone since then really doesn’t matter anymore.

The thread now is more about the lies told to the public to get them to vote one way or another I guess.

Really, all I was interested in was the comments made by the readers and the fact that it ran uncontested by Kareem
Now I see we’re getting some really good responses so I suppose it was a waste of time. Pretty typical around here these days. Thanks Alde…

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I’m wondering how many posts it will be before someone claims the tape is a fake, and Carl Rove is behind it…

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I was kinda hoping Aldebaran would be the one to come up with the claim.

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I don’t doubt that there is a significant percentage of people (15-20%) who think anything Kerry says about anything at all is unpatriotic. So what?

Pardon me, your bias is showing. He implied no such thing, but that doesn’t stop you from inferring it. So what?

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Speaking of fakes, could you provide a cite for this quote?

What I have heard is Kerry saying that Bush and Co. haven’t done a very good job. That is very different than saying that our troops haven’t done a good job and someone who can’t understand the difference between criticizing the policy of the idiots in charge vs. the troops in the field is…well…I’ll just leave it there.

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My bias? Please explain what bias is that?

and let me be the first to apologize if this thread has gone awry of it’s original intent. I was simply trying to show another viewpoint.
BTW 15-20% is HUGE when an election is going to be this close. Either candidate would love to grab that percentage.
Look if y’all don’t appreciate the thread…let it go.

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Well, that’s rather interesting given that you titled the thread "OBL tape is fake, not for example, “Is the OBL tape a fake.” And, then you said that Al Jazaara had printed an article saying it was a fake when actually it was a listener response, not an article…and certainly not a fake-based one.

And, now you have the gall to criticize us for not living up to the “high standards” you have set in this thread?!?! Give me a freakin’ break!

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What the hell are you talking about?

jesus christ I have explained that so many times it is absurd. I surrender y’all fucking win…

here let me proclaim this aloud for all the world to read

Al Jazeera didn’t run an article, an editorial this morning which made the claim OBL tape is fake… I imagined it…they also didn’t NOT offer a rebuttal…I’m absolutely wrong in everything I’ve said in this thread…nobody thinks Kerry has said anything unpatriotic and this tape means nothing…why even play the damned thing.
There is that better?
Want me to call myself a few choice names now.

jshore…Sorry for whatever it was that I did to offend you. I wasn’t aware that I did. BTW I wasn’t the who dragged it down. It was misunderstood from the start. :frowning:

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What’s remarkable to me is that anyone could think the tape (faked) would help Bush. Or Kerry. It seemed fairly neutral to me, in that people would react to its comments based on their attitudes already.

If you support Kerry, it sounds like a warning that our current foreign policy puts us at risk. It also sounds like Bush is to blame for the fact that the terrorists pulled off more than one attack on 9/11. It sounds like Bush is a simpleton or lying when he uses the reason “they hate freedom.” And it’s a reminder that OBL is still around and live and well despite the much-ballyhooed “war on terror”.

If you support Bush, it sounds like a warning that we’d better stick with a leader who is damned tough on dealing with OBL. It sounds like Bush is some kind of hero because OBL got more conciliatory on Bush’s watch. It makes you want to go to the polls and tell this guy to go to hell by casting your vote for the guy who ousted the Taliban.

Maybe there is some sort of brilliant political maneuvering that could be done by faking this, but I think it’s a wash for either candidate.

t-keela, I understand the frustration with seeing one’s thread veer off topic, but one can’t throw out a provocative statement about Kerry insulting troops and expect everyone to ignore it, even for the noble cause of keeping the thread focused. Things wander, it’s the nature of the beast. If it’s a big priority to you that it stays on topic, you might have started a different thread to make your Kerry statement.

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Moderator’s Note: Thread locked at the request of the OP.