In which British newsman Jonathan Pie lays it all out as to why Trump won. Those who are wise will take his words to heart. Those who aren’t, won’t.
Oh look, conservatives trying to shift the responsibility for voluntarily nominating and electing Trump onto liberals for being so, I don’t know, liberal or something. Must be a day ending in -y. :rolleyes:
Oops, correction. Turns out Pie is a fictitious newsman, not a real one. Looks like even pretend English newsmen understand American politics better than our own. Piers Morgan, whom I normally can’t stand, has shown the same proclivity.
It must be rather trying to have such fragile principles and ego that the mere existence of some liberals sanctimoniously calling some racists racist makes you rush out and vote for an incompetent narcissistic buffoon who is currently making his administration a global laughingstock.
“People can’t admit what they think! The Left don’t allow them to! They’re embarrassed to say it!”
:rolleyes: Awwww, the poor babies. How terribly mean of the awful old Left not to make the world a safe space where other people can admit what they think without any fear of possible embarrassment or disagreement.
Verrry good, you’re on the right track. Now ask yourself WHY conservatives nominated and elected Trump. If your answer is that they’re all a bunch of hateful racist, sexist misogynistic would-be Nazis intent on kicking out all the outsiders and foreigners, I refer you again to the clip in the OP.
No, more like they can’t express themselves or attempt to engage in rational debate because the instant they say something illiberal they get shouted down as racist/sexist/selfish/evil morons. But that’s okay. You keep it up with the insults and the intransigence and we’ll keep winning elections. It’s a trade-off I’m happy to make.
Its from November, right after the election.
:dubious: Well, I initially took it for granted that it was because, as responsible and rational adults, they considered him a reasonably competent and trustworthy leader (modulo the standard baseline disingenuousness of politicians in general, that is).
If you’re trying to tell me, as Jonathan Pie appears to be doing, that instead it was because they were mad that the Democratic candidate wasn’t Republican enough, or because their feefees were hurt by some liberal “hurling a label” at them, or because they’re pouting that liberals didn’t seek them out for “discussion” enough, or because they’re sore losers about the left having “won the cultural war”, or they think that liberals didn’t “talk to them” nicely enough, or any other such toddler-tantrum reasons…
…then I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to laugh right in your, and their, faces. Oh diddums, the poor widdle darlings! Were they triggered by the mean liberals not being sufficiently deferential to them, then? :rolleyes:
You know I don’t say this sort of thing much, but the time has come: To all those conservatives with creeping buyer’s remorse desperately trying to find somebody else to blame Trump on: Grow the FUCK up.
“Insults”? “Labels”? Don’t make me laugh. Those of us on the left have listened for decades to frothing right-wingers calling us traitors, and ns (if we happened to be black), and n-lovers (if we happened to be white), and baby-murderers, and whores, and libtards, and communists, and terrorist-appeasers, and all sorts of other hostile invective.
And we didn’t respond by rushing out to elect dangerous narcissistic nincompoops whom we despised just to get back at you by “shaking things up”. Because, with all our myriad faults, for the most part we’re grown-ups.
If conservatives are now admitting that they don’t even have that fundamental level of political maturity—that they deliberately tried to stuff a moldy bag of circus peanuts into the engine of government because they were mad that liberals weren’t being respectful enough to them—and that now they want to blame us for “making” them do it, I’m not going to apologize to them. I’m going to laugh at them.
Hopefully, at some point they’ll become sufficiently embarrassed by their childish behavior that they’ll decide to abjure it, rather than insisting on being deferred to and coddled to prevent a recurrence of it.
You know what? I’ll turn the snark into a question.
Why do you think that Republicans continually feel the need to blame liberals/Democrats for Donald Trump? Isn’t that just admitting that he’s horrible?
It seems like there might be bipartisan support here. So rather than argue over whose fault Trump is, why not work together get rid of him?
I mean, you found the one guy that makes President Pence seem acceptable to liberals. Take advantage of it.
You mean the one where a British comedian impersonates a parody of a ranting neocon? That one? The one you thought was a real person spouting real points of view?
Oh, dear, how dreadful! “Shouted down?” What a terrible pity that conservatives have no access to publishing companies or other media outlets, and no money to pay for their services, to let their poor suppressed voices be heard! What a shame they have no political influence and no powerful ideological allies to help them and fund them when liberals “shout them down” by disagreeing with (and sometimes even disapproving of :eek: ) their views! How very lamentable.
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But that’s okay. You keep it up with the insults and the intransigence and we’ll keep winning elections. It’s a trade-off I’m happy to make.
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Oh good, it’s nice to see you happy again! For a little while there I thought you were feeling sort of bad because conservatives had elected Donald Trump, and you needed a way to blame it on the liberals so it wouldn’t be your responsibility.
But now you seem to have remembered that you’re happy you’ve elected Donald Trump, and you don’t have anything to be upset about, because he won the election! Yay Republicans, congratulations and well done you! 
We will definitely remember to keep giving you the credit for that laudable achievement.
He is a real person spouting real points of view. He just isn’t a reporter, as several online sources wrongly claim. He’s apparently something along the line of Steven Colbert, but with the added advantage of being able to see things as they really are and speak to them accordingly.
As I said before, those who are wise will heed his words. Those who aren’t, won’t.
On preview, Kimstu may want to take note.
No, I mean, yes, he IS like Steven Colbert back when he was at the Colbert Report. He’s playing a character. Whatever he says is not intended to be taken seriously.
Those who are wise should understand that.
He makes a good and forcible point.
Let’s face it, the left clearly got something wrong. If not Hillary then what? Let’s look at other excuses offered for their defeat. Comey? That’s just Hillary in another form. Without her initial carelessness with servers there would be no Comey. The Russians? Even if they did meddle and influenced the result it is highly unlikely that it would have worked with a less vulnerable candidate than Clinton. So again, that’s Hillary. Racism? Strange how Obama had no problem winning two consecutive terms. Sexism? If the left really believe the electorate is so sexist (and I doubt that it is) then why run Hillary against the most right-wing candidate in a lifetime, an election so consequential that the Democrats from their point of view just had to win it? Bad choice, bad candidate for such an election.
And yes, I know Hillary got more votes, but she didn’t get them in the places that mattered, the places Obama did get them, and that alone made her a bad candidate.
There were a lot of people who couldn’t grasp that Colbert was playing a character either, but nodded and said to themselves here is a man who can “see things as they really are and speak to them accordingly”.
So tell me, how effective were those insults from the right in getting you to change your mind? Did they harden your position or make you reconsider? How effective is insult and labeling and tactic for recruitment?
Seriously, I’m on the left and I don’t subscribe to your point of view at all.
Your response to this is almost a parody of the position that Jonathon Pie rails against.
“It’s almost as if the political acumen of Beyonce and Jay-Z counts for nothing !”
Is that the reason Republicans voted for Trump? They did, you know. Despite. all the handwaving away, the reason Trump won was because Republicans voted for him. Why can’t any of the Republican apologists step up and take responsibility for the actions of their candidate and the people of their own party?
I’m curious about the counterfactual.
Like most of the voters in my city – and my state, and my country – I of course voted for Hillary Clinton. And, were the world a better place, I would at this very minute be living through the first week of her presidency. And if anyone asked why I voted for her, my go-to response would be “because she was running against Trump.”
I found rather a lot of her positions loathsome, you see; she struck me as a flawed candidate in rather a lot of ways. But the single best thing I could say in her favor, the one nice knock-down argument that was uppermost in my mind when I cast that ballot, started off with a crisp brisk “Yeah, But Compared To Trump…”
Would I, in your opinion, thereby be guilty of needing a way to blame a decision I’d feel ‘sort of bad’ about on other people, so it wouldn’t be my responsibility?
Yes, it’s a good point that Hillary was seen as about as conservative as a moderate Republican. This explains the loss of the Democrats in some key feuds.
But the whole thing about the right feeling insulted and demeaned is a gross oversimplification. I think that both Trump voters and Brexiteers considered quite simply that both actions would end up in their areas having better economic prospects, and the opposition focused more in attacking the other side and defending the Status Quo. This, I think, was the failure in both campaigns.