Foreplay fail.
So you’re saying if he had called, taken her out, asked her about herself then maybe she would have stuck around without resisting?
Of course not. That was immediately clear to the responding officer. The Colombia Police officer knew that Derrick had no authority to arrest and Derrick was arrested right there. There was no lengthy investigation that only happened after the video came out. Derrick was taken from the scene in handcuffs.
+1
Okay, I just thought up an an interesting question:
Who issued the official police handcuffs to a class 3 cop who is not legally entitled to arrest anyone ?
Any mook can buy a pair of handcuffs.
Are you sure that is true for South Carolina? I am not a law enforcement officer, but I can carry a firearm into Buffalon Wild Wings. In fact, I have worn a concealed firearm in the exact BWW in the video. I can’t sit at the actual bar, but I can sit anywhere else in there, including the patio where she was being detained. In Georgia, I could sit at the actual bar.
I am not sure about South Carolina’s rule on drinking, but in Florida, I could get sloppy ass drunk in the restaurant portion of a BWW while carrying a concealed firearm, if I felt like it.
So this guy was a code enforcement officer, then? What a piece of work. What does his actual badge say on it? Did nobody ask to see some identification?
I’m not any sort of cop but I can buy handcuffs.
The law seems to be in the process of changing right now, but from what I could tell, in SC, you still wouldn’t be able to have the gun on you while drinking, open or concealed.
I don’t know if the proposed law passed and if it did, if it passed the way it was proposed when this article was written, but if it did, here’s what I was referring to…from the article “Known as SB 308, the bill has some important exceptions, however. It would outlaw the consumption of alcohol while carrying a gun, for example.”
If that’s the case, he was in violation if he went out to his car to get the gun while he was drinking. Totally WAG: The law did pass and that’s why he left his gun in the car to begin with.
If he hadn’t been drinking, this is moot and he’s probably in the clear. But like I said, I’m guessing he won’t be charged for it. I’m also kinda waiting to find out this isn’t the first time it’s happened. Maybe not to this extreme, but maybe that he’s gotten into altercations either with Army vs Marine things or with women in general. It just seemed like it escalated way to fast for this to have been the first time.
As a Class III officer he has arrest powers within the scope his official duties but not outside of that. I’m not sure what this guys duties are but they don’t extent to off duty.
For example a quick search showed another city uses class III officers for housing authority security. So they can arrest and write tickets while pulling security but not off duty.
I don’t know about cops but in South Carolina you can’t drink and carry concealed.
It’s very weird that this seems to be national news now? I got to that Buffalo Wild Wings with my parents all the time. They never have any of the beers on their menu.
Of course it’s national news. There is video. That’s the main criteria for newsworthiness nowadays.
While it’s very clear that you aren’t trying to defend the guy, also note that the woman wasn’t initially resisting. This can be seen herein the second video when the officer suddenly starts to twist her handcuffs and then she is reacting.
This is a serious problem where law enforcement officers often claim, as the sheriff did in this case, that the subject was “resisting.”
I wonder what the guy was doing with his badge, gun and handcuffs in his vehicle in the first place. A quick google shows that a Class 3 LEO in South Carolina isn’t much better than your run-of-the-mill security officer. Much less training than Class 1 officers.
I did campus security when I went to college and was a “Class 3 LEO” with zero training, no gun (thankfully) and a shiny badge and a radio. Most of us were students who wanted a job where we could sneak off to study, but there were a few wannabe cops who would have gladly done this shit if they could have.
It will be interesting to see how ubiquitous cell phones with video cameras will change law enforcement procedures. Without this video making news, the guy could very well have not lost his job nor been arrested.
Other than a man with a badge committing a crime in front of everyone.
But let’s blame the video.
Note that I’m not saying all people with badges are criminals. This guy is obviously a bad apple.
But it’s hard to tell how you’re now downplaying this.
I don’t think he’s blaming the video. Rather he is explaining why a very local news story is getting national attention. (Sorry to put words in Loach’s mouth if I’m wrong)
I’m still a bit confused, what did the guy do that was illegal? Was it because he was acting out of his legal authorities as a class III LEO, or was it because of brutality, or was it because his arrest was unjustified, or something else?
Having been on the receiving end of physical force when not resisting, I will say that it stays with you for life. I still can’t trust or feel safe around cops and this was years ago.
All of the above.
And I’m going to keep asking this…what was she being charged with? Or what was he planning to charge her with or what was he detaining her for or whatever the proper way to phrase the question is. From what I can tell he hit on her and she turned him down and that’s when he ‘arrested’ her.
IF that is what it turns out to be I wonder if she can make a civil case against him, outside of the department. If it can be proven that the arrest was based on her turning him down for a date, I wonder if she can go after him for attempted kidnapping or false imprisonment or something along those lines. OTOH, I’m sure, even if the PD doesn’t side with him, their lawyer (or his union lawyer) will take the case.
That probably doesn’t make sense. How about this…if it’s proven that he arrested her for purely personal reasons I wonder if the department would say ‘well, you’re on your own if she sues you’. Surely that type of thing must happen from time to time…a cop arresting someone that did nothing wrong other then turning them down for a date (or a ‘date’).
That scumbag of a cop is torturing her. He is visibly, clearly, obviously twisting her arms after she’s cuffed and is offering no resistance whatsoever.
What a piece of shit.
Give some people a badge and you find out who they really are.
Yes, let’s let him explain. When you use words such as “nowadays”, then you aren’t just making detached comments.
Issues of individuals abusing their position of authority are of interest to more than the local community. This happens sometimes and the fact that it got caught on video is the reason it received widespread coverage.
No one in this tread is attempting to blame all LEO everywhere. I’m saying that this is an issue which needs to be looked at, but even I’m not saying all cops are bad. That would be silly.
Has it been reported in the news yet what the ex-officer’s claim was, on why he was attempting to initiate an arrest? I think this tidbit is super important, cannot understand why this info has escaped the news to this point. Why might ex-officer’s statement (excuse for making arrest) be kept confidential to public? Is this standard proceedure? Even after being fired?