You know, I doubt this. I doubt this very much.
While the scumbag got arrested when some saner cops showed up, I’d bet my next paycheck that if anyone in that bar had intervened physically, or threatened to do so, that person would have been arrested and charged with assaulting a police officer and hauled off to jail, and they’d still be there today.
To answer more fully here is a video which does a decent job of explaining the difference between Hollywood fueled expectations and reality. Warning, actual footage of shooting included.
That’s an easy bet since there is no way to prove it. But since it was intermediately determined that he was not acting within the scope of his job that would not be possible. It would contradict all the charges against him.
Sounds like a wanna be. Unfortunately, there are some maladjusted power trippers who are attracted to law enforcement. Hopefully this weeds him out. Kudos to the cops who sorted it out on the spot.
Not buying it. The Brits showed the myth was just that. You act like it’s a 50 ft shot taken from the back of a moving horse. It’s not. it’s as simple as pointing your finger at a target 15 feet away.
Police manage to hit the center mass all the time yet lowering it 2 feet is now somehow a miracle. This is getting off topic so if you want to argue the point I suggest another thread at your discretion.
Let’s say it happened in Ohio;
2921.31 Obstructing official business.
(A) No person, without privilege to do so and with purpose to prevent, obstruct, or delay the performance by a public official of any authorized act within the public official’s official capacity, shall do any act that hampers or impedes a public official in the performance of the public official’s lawful duties.
If such a Class 3 officer existed here as described, he would lack power to arrest, so assume the facts are true for Ohio as in SC, I see no legal charge that would hold up. “Initially” I am not saying an arrest/cite would not occur, as the responding officer’s may not know of his Class status until post arrest.
The thing is, how were the bystanders supposed to know this was definitely wrong? I mean, there’s undercover cops, you come into a situation midway, some guy with handcuffs is cuffing somebody and seems to know what he’s talking about… seems the wisest thing is to film it.
And you’re absolutely right. The natural response would be to allow an event to go beyond the perceived line of appropriate behavior because of the threat of arrest.
Rule number one in visiting bars: do not get involved in bar fights.
That wasn’t a bar fight. Imagine if that was you minding your own business and an officer decided to arrest you because you were crying.
What I’m saying is that if anyone in that bar had intervened physically with the torture of that woman by that piece of shit cop (Class III, part-time, whatever), even though the asshole was clearly in the wrong, when the other cops showed up, they would have arrested the person or persons who intervened and charged them with something serious. A felony.
I do not believe that cops will let civilians get away with laying hands on another cop, even when that other cop is clearly, obviously, proveably acting in the wrong, in excess of his authority, and in a way that is an embarassment to all police.
By your logic they would not have arrested the officer in question. Intervening in a false arrest is not the problem. Proving it was a false arrest is the problem. In this case, they had a video that did just that. Since few people are willing to make that judgment call it’s not likely to happen.
The reasons for bar fights are varied and many. The commonality is that someone was drunk and got violent, as in the matter at hand with the drunk cop wannabe.
Best to call the police.
I’m not sure it’s really appropriate to call the guy a cop/police in the first place. Have we found out what department he is with? For example around here there are Sheriff deputies I consider to be actual police. They are sworn law enforcement officers with arrest powers generally anywhere in the State (although they are not State Police, so they would not generally supposed to be out doing LEO tasks in other counties)–and that is what I understand a cop/police officer to be, someone who has “general arrest powers” and who is an actual sworn officer.
We also have court officers who are actually part of the sheriffs department, but they are strictly responsible for security inside the court buildings and transporting prisoners inside the complex and etc. They cannot legally arrest me or detain me out on the streets. I would not consider them to be police/cops.
That’s hard to do when the person starting the fight has you in cuffs and is twisting your arm behind your back.
It looks like we disagree. Obviously, news with video is going to make the news where it wouldn’t otherwise, but police abuse is a national, even world-wide issue.
I think with more cell phones having video capability, we’ll start seeing more of these videos. It will be interesting to see how law enforcement agencies respond. On one of the links from either this or the other thread, I saw that one department is schedule next year to having body cameras on all of the officers and the protecting against false complaints is one of the leading reasons.
Obviously there are differences and I wasn’t claiming otherwise. The point I was making was that I saw a bunch of wannabees in that type of job. Not all of them, but a number of them.
I was referring to the other bar patrons who where faced with having to decide whether or not to leave the establishment, or jump into the fracus, or pull up a bar stool and a beer and watch, or call the police.
The same sort of thing happened here last summer. The officer lost his job and was prosecuted for disorderly conduct and threatening. I think he’s still in jail.
Sheriff deputies are real law enforcement officers. This guy wasn’t a regular deputy, though.
The tv news report says that the sheriff department said he did have powers to arrest.
I wonder what would have happened if the lady hadn’t resisted? Would this creep have tried to transport her in his car? Called the city cops? I wonder what was his plan. Assuming he even thought it out.
i thought she hadn’t resisted at all? she was just standing there when he decided to twist her arms and rail at her.