oh for fuck sake mtv just fucking die please

The BBQ Pit
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you took your station and made it into the un music channel, playing videos less than an hour a day at one point. so you make mtv2, you cry you shout, you beg to get mtv2 picked up by carriers and they did.
so please
for the love of god
PLAY SOME MOTHER FUCKING VIDEOS.
Do Not Intterupt them
Do Not play 1/12th of a video because you are playing a “Show” instead of FUCKING PLAYING VIDEOS.
Dont do that shit where the video playing is all smashed up in one corner of the screne so you can show the results of the online voting going on for the next video in your fucking “SHOW”

this rant brought to you by mtv2 and the top 100 little tiny bits of some really great videos that we wont show you cause that would like take like the entire legnth of the videos to do.
also I really do hate television in general, I havent owned a tv for 15 years or more, I just decided to see what was up in the world of music and tuned into this crap.

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What’s up in music?

Ares.com.

Any thoughts to why the record labels are pissed about file sharing? Who’s paying for this programming? Show me how The Real World is promoting music, and I’ll stop.

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Yeah, well, just wait until MTV 3 comes out later next year.

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No such thing as great videos. They are all crap.

Turn on the radio if you want some music.

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Spooje, I have to knock you down a notch on my list of great posters (though you still have my attention). I bought the Rob Zombie CD/DVD a few months ago, and LOVE it! Awesome videos. But MTV hates real music, hence the DVD of the videos.

When MTV realizes that music expands beyond people writing lyrics for people/ rewriting popular songs/ pop producers looking for what they think are sexy singers/ foisting ‘reality diaries’ such as “Real World” (which is anything but real), they might get get back to what MTV is supposed to be. MTV 2? They admitted the concept is lost.

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All I see on music videos are singers and dancers (or just hot chicks shakin’ their asses). Now, I’m not opposed to hot chicks shakin’ their asses, and I have nothing against dancing, but I never see the guys and gals making the music anymore. Where are they bassists? The drummers? The guitarists??? IMO, these folks do not matter to MTV. They matter to me, so I do not watch MTV. When I want to see hot chicks shakin’ it, I’ll turn on the porn.

I do watch VH1 occasionally. But only for Behind the Music.

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Ok, spooje, FWIW, you have full faith and credit in my little world again. Just hope Dio doesn’t have control of the mortgage department. :wink:

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spooje, I have to disagree. Music videos to me are a genre of filmmaking. There are a lot of skillfully produced videos that do not involve the usual masterbation fodder enjoyed by every teenage boy. For examples, I suggest anything by NIN, the “Days gone by” and “Where’s your head at” video (dont recall the perspective artists). Problem is, these videos never show up on MTV or VH1, but they are great!

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Also: Pearl Jam’s “Evolution” is a very good video.

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MTV had just been born when I was in college the first time.

We spent hours watching videos, and arguing as to whether they were “art” or “advertising.”

When one can make that argument with a straight face, there is doubt. Therefore, the videos could in fact possess some art value.

Then again, I quit watching MTV when they began trying to do stuff OTHER than videos and music news. Didn’t hold my attention.

Nowadays, my teenage students refuse to believe me when I tell them that MTV once did not have commercials…

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It’s really not that much better. Unless you find a good station, you’ll hear a commercial every two songs. All I get is MTV Canada, and I don’t watch it. I used to love MuchMusic, but now I’ve given up on that too unless I know one of the bands I like are going to make an appearnce. When I want to catch a music video, I just head over to Launch. I can even program it so that the rapper’s hoes shaking their ass at me are kept to a minimum.

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This is where I come in and and ask, “Haven’t you people ever hear of VH-1 Classics?” It’s what MTV used to be a long, long time ago. They show nothing but videos. Only problem is that they don’t show anything particularly new, but I don’t really have a problem with that. I’m generally happy to watch all my favorite 80’s videos.

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Basement Jaxx. Love 'em. Kish Kash is great. Where’s Your Head At is on their last album, Rooty. Never seen a video by them though.

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the top 100 videos was in a way very cool, they played the replacements video that was almost nothing but a speaker playing the song, very little ass shaking, but then again I seriously think they were showing less than 30secs of each video.

anyone remember 120minutes? the show (ug) that was alternative stuff? Daisy Chainsaw played on mtv! pure maddness by todays standards. I mean wtf so now they have 2 channels dedicated to not playing videos.
radio sucks, in seattle we are blessed with a ton of stations and a wide variety of formats, 103.7 is an amazing station. but you still cant find 40% of the music thats out there to hear. whens the last (or first) time you heard Naked Funk on the radio? Ben Wa? B.T.? D.J. Mark Farina? Fila Brazila? Monkey Mafia? Crystal Method? Depth Charge, 9 Lazy 9, Frank Black, FishBone, Silly Rabit, Curve, Michael Penn, Southern Culture on the Skids?

my bitch isnt that these exact people arent being played its that virtually ALL music media is so mainstream that you will never even know that most of these people exist let alone have extensive work under their belt. and thanks to the Riaa and their ludacris victory in congress to force net stations to pay royalties that brocast stations dont our choices are even more limited.

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I always wondered when they turned the M to mean Misc. TV. Personally I blame a few things. First they discovered reality TV = Cheap TV that gets high ratings. They discovered that 13 yr old girls have a lot of money. They discovered 13 yr old boys are easy to pander too. So now they play endless loops of the same damn songs for those two demographics and fill everything else with contrived reality shows.

I really hate the phony ‘rebel’ attitude they seem to have. Oh wow we play Eminem we’re on the edge…yeah but you bleep the word pot. They’re just a cold calculating corporation that likes to display the image of rebel when in fact everything is done to cost the least for the most profit.

I used to be a hard core watcher. Then slowly less and less. About the third time they played a Road Rules Marathon I stopped. There’s a channel on my satellite called “Fuse” (used to be MMusic) that’s fairly consistent.

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MTV is a shell for its’ advertising clients.

MTV is about the creation of wealth through brand consciousness and creation.

MTV stopped caring about music somewhere around the time of YO! MTV Raps.

MTV is a failed experiment in the proliferation of a pseudo-underground culture.

MTV lies to its’ viewers, its’ advertisers and its’ artists about its’ own relevance, and through manipulation creates illegitmate superstars.

When I was younger, I had hope for MTV. Today, I despise it.

Personally, if you’re at all into music, please get out there and find the good stuff where you live, for it is plentiful, if as yet undiscovered.

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As ironic as it sounds, but in my personal experience, the best mediums I’ve come across for playing music (both on radio or TV) happen to be those mediums which are public broadcasting networks which aren’t in the game of being commercial enterprises. Some examples that I know of are Britain’s various BBC subsidiaries, and Australia’s TRIPLE J network and the RAGE program, and France’s TV1 network.

What I’ve found when watching or listening to those networks is that because they’re not commercial enterprises, but rather, public broadcasters which are paid for out of public taxpayer moneys, well… the people who do the programming are in the wonderful position of being able to say “NO” to sweetheart deals and “under the table” payola arrangements. And for the benefit of my American friends here on the SDMB, I can’t stress highly enough how important that little factor is.

As it stands, MTV has become simply another vehicle (like US Commercial FM Radio) for payola conduits via the major labels. And you know, who can blame 'em? Seriously, they’re all in it for the money, so why not go after every safe bet in town? But I have to say that it’s kinda weird how US FM Radio is well known now for it’s institutionalised payola arrangements through that middleman body known as “Independant Music Distributors” but organisations like MTV have the same sweetheart kickback deals but nobody ever seems to mention it.

Anyways, all I’m saying is that I understand that the USA is all about capitalism and the free market etc - and yet, it has to be said that certain parts of culture nonetheless do need a little bit of “protection” from the ever increasing pressures of trying to make a buck from every demographic, at every opportunity.

Hence, I honestly believe that the USA would actually be a little bit better off if it formed a national broadcaster akin to Britain’s BBC or Australia’s “Australian Broadcasting Commission - aka ABC” - and I say this because, well, such institutions at least provide a national alternative to the major commercial networks which are free of kickback deals. They might be corny and dorky at times, but gee you know… when national broadcasters get it right, it’s amazing how many people listen or watch.

I’m not sure an American BBC could ever get off the ground now though. Simply too many people with too much lobbying power to let it happen I suspect.

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buttonjockey308

heh tell us how you really feel.

and where is the good local music in Wyoming pray tell? This is a good message to people that live in certain areas but here we play both kinds of music. Country and Western.

I can’t hardly even find a good radio station. The best one (they actually play bands like Disturbed once a week) but it comes from Rapid City so it cuts out 30% of the time.

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Summary of the music video channels I get with my DirecTV satellite dish:

MTV - Not really worth mentioning. They sometimes play videos after 3AM, but nothing that hasn’t played 100 times in the last week on the other video channels.

MTV2 - Started out semi-decent, but rapidly degraded. Now it’s mostly half-hour or hourlong specials with interviews and videos and crap from the latest flavor-of-the-minute band that I’m not interested in because, like the post-3AM MTV stuff, these are the artists getting pushed constantly, everywhere.

They also tend to play The Hip Hop Show way too often. I don’t want to tune in and have to wait two hours to see a guitar.

And then there’s the stupid countdowns and “shows” where they don’t show the whole video, mentioned by the OP. I tuned in this morning for the “Top 100 Videos Ever Made” from 1999. I put it on early because I wanted to see “Bastards of Young” by the Replacements and “Don’t Let’s Start” by They Might Be Giants, which were towards the bottom of the list, but it turned out they only played about a third or less of each video in the countdown. What a fucking waste.
Fuse - This channel might show some decent stuff once in a while, but I just can’t get past how bad they mutilate the videos. They put an unneeded bar at the bottom of the screen on videos that have a regular aspect ration (that is, they should take up the whole screen and not have bars). Usually the bar is black, but sometimes it’s red or even green (like when Sprite is sponsoring the show :rolleyes:)! They also tend to have two different Fuse logos at different places on the screen at the same time. Somebody please tell me the point of obscuring the video to this degree, because I just don’t get it.

I emailed Fuse about the pointless bar and got a response that essentially said “A lot of us here feel the same way you do. We’re trying to do something about it.” That was several months ago. The bar remains.

VH1 - Like MTV, not really worth mentioning. Mostly just a big glut of dull “Top 100 Stupid Things Celebrities Said” specials.

VH1-Classic - Now here’s a channel I do actually watch sometimes. They pull some really weird (and sometimes downright bad) selections out of their giant grab-bag, but at least there’s some variety, and even a couple old bands that I hadn’t discovered before VH1-C, and became a fan of because of them.

There are only two really bad things about the channel, but one turns out to have an upside. First is the logo. They have several different onscreen logos and they’re all huge. Shrink them, make them transparent, do something! Those things are an eyesore!

Second is that they play the same few hourlong sets of videos four times a day. The upside is that people post the playlists on the forums of VH1-C’s web site. I was surprised that VH1-C allowed this, but apparently it’s fine by them. I can check the board and see exactly what videos are playing when and just tune in for the ones I want to see.

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Listen to CDs. Heck, I hate the radio, except for listening to news and talk sometimes on NPR. There are tons of (shitty) radio stations in Des Moines that aren’t country, but who cares? I’d rather pick what I listen to.