yeah, detail MAN, we need DETAILS!! 
Oh. Well, given your sexual proclivities, I kinda thought, maybe…
Well, I appreciate the support, but my record is now something like 1 for 2,000. I was just really, really, amazingly, stupendously lucky. And, I still don’t understand it.
I haven’t gotten that far, either. Didn’t you see my earlier reply to Betenoir? 
Cool! I love giving flowers.
That’s an idea that’s not entirely without merit. 
Not that I’d be qualified to give dating advice. Haven’t I been asking for dating advice the last couple of days?
Thanks, Salem! But, see above.
I thought you used to visit the infamous “flirt threads”. That was the same side of me, basically. And, a lot of the Spit or Swallow thread, too. But, if you’re looking for a fight, stick around. If she doesn’t answer the email I sent her, this morning, I’ll definitely be in a fighting mood.
All right! Whoever cranked the Serendipity amplifier up to 11 can just turn it back down, now! I went to Amazon to see what this movie was, and the first review is titled “You’re Like A Big Bear, Man!”. I added it to my Netflix list, but I won’t be watching it tonight.
Sure is a great view, from up here. I’d forgotten what it looked like. Run, rabbit, run!
Thanks, Optihut!
Thanks, Lorna! I will. Up to a point.
LOL! I think you’re enjoying this more than I am, so far. 
I make no promises about posting the instant I get home, though.
I think we’re going here. I told her I’d like to go somewhere where it’s quiet enough to talk, rather than shout, and she suggested it. She says it’s slightly dressy casual, so I’m going to wear chinos and a polo shirt. That’s what I was wearing when we met, too. No, not the same ones! I have lots of polo shirts.
But, maybe you folks can help me decide which ones. I’m debating whether to wear the dark navy blue, almost black, one, with black pants and black dress shoes, or the light blue one, with cream colored pants and the same brown shoes I was wearing when we met . What do you think? Two completely different looks. I’m kind of leaning towards the dark one, but maybe it’s too intense a look for a first date in a beach town?
I’ll have to polish the brown ones, if I wear them again. They were scuffed, and she still didn’t laugh at me. Miracle of miracles! Well, the whole thing is a miracle, in my mind. I saw my reflection in a window, today, and thought “What was she thinking?” (What? Yes, rambling. Right.)
And, a single rose would be okay for a first date? That’s my favorite flower gift, but I was afraid it would look like I was rushing things. That’s something I tend to do, unfortunately, which is why I don’t trust my judgement in such matters. I think it would also send a totally different message depending on which outfit I’m wearing. More intense, maybe inappropriately so, if I go dark. More on the sweet side, if I go light. (Overanalyze much, Dave? No, not at all, but what an interesting thing to say. I wonder what made you think that. ;))
Dave I’d say the lighter outfit… it is a date in the middle of the summer after all and not a funeral!
Who knew so many people would be rooting for you to get youself a fine, friendly, willing lady friend
Oh and by the time you were working at the bar you would have won the girl and therefore you’d be qualified to give all kinds of dating advice!
I think you need to bring a laptop with modem and cellphone and excuse yourself every so often to sneak to the car and post us some updates
A single rose is beautiful. If you can, find out which type is her favorite. Do you feel comfortable enough to ask someone at her place of business? Or would that come off as too stalker-y?
Looks like a great place. Note to davebear : nothing with red sauce if you’re wearing the light blue.
And I am glad for you. Sorry if I came off as anything else… I know what it’s like to be stuck in a tortuous relationship you can’t see any way out of.
Another congratulations to Davebear! Just wanted to add my own thoughts about the rose… what’s the chance of it being something other than red? That seems a little serious and I’m betting pink would be a big hit.
JMHO. Good luck!!!
Dave, I’m not one to be verbose, so I’ll just say… Fantastic news, and good one!
Dave, I haven’t got a clue what my new possible sweetie’s shoes looked like. I certainly wouldn’t have noticed if they needed polishing!
Speaking as a female-type person, I’d be charmed by a single rose. I’d be scared off by a dozen, but one would be sweet!
Thanks. I was thinking “night…fancy place, for the area…dress to impress”, etc. But, you may be right. As I said, I’m not a good judge of these things, when it’s me that’s involved.
Well, I certainly didn’t!
Luckily, I can honestly say I no longer own a laptop. So, that option no longer open.
Wellll… it might come off as bit stalker-y. I think I made enough of an impression already, calling all those times. I’ll just have to see what I can find. There’s a pretty good florist in the center of town, here.
Absolutely! This little run of luck can’t last forever.
No, not at all! It absolutely came across as genuine joy. I was just teasing.
My thoughts, exactly! And, thanks!
Thanks, to you, too, Matey! I think I’m being verbose enough to cover for you.
Well, I don’t think Theresa was as smitten as you were. But, I always hear about women judging men by their shoes. :eek: Sends shivers down my spine.
Sounds like a consensus for a single rose. Now, I just have to get them to sell me one. What’s up with that, anyway? They’ve got six dozen sitting there, and half the time they won’t sell one, even though they’d make more profit, that way. It’s silly.
Oh, and no reply to the email, yet, for those keeping track. Not that I really expected one, this soon. But, it would have been nice. At least then I’d know if she thought I’d made a complete ass of myself, in my email. Oh, well. Maybe tomorrow.
I’d go with the pink rose.
This was a very fun and suspenseful thread to read. Best of luck!
Judging men by their SHOES??? How shallow! I can see checking out their clothes to make sure they are clean and decent, but to say, “Forget it, he’s wearing scuffed shoes,” is to me the absolute height of absurdity. (Note: I said POSSIBLE sweetie. I’m really trying not to jump onto that pink cloud QUITE yet. If nothing else, he lives several hundred miles away, which creates a whole set of difficulties in itself.)
I really am glad to hear things are going so well for you.
ROTFL…ahhh wabbit! The things I could tell you about women! I live an interesting life, that frequently has me ‘included in’ into the ‘girl talk’ which is an INTERESTING education for a guy, let me tell you!
Seriously, I remember a woman friend telling me that she specifically checked out a guys shoes, if she was getting interested in him. Her theory, the level of care he put into his shoes equaled the level of care he put into his relationships. Dunno the Exact math she used to reach that conclusion, but it Did manage to make me semi-paranoid 'bout my shoes … both to be sure they looked like I’m a kinda guy that puts great care into relationships (after all, during that ‘promo’ period of a relationship, I’d Much rather not be ruled out, while I’m still thinking she’s a real candidate for "the one"ness!) … and to make sure I Don’t notice any correlation between my shoe care and the various accusing feedback I’ve gotten about my contribution to the demise of various relationships during my life!
But meanwhile back to the ‘real’ thread …
1)No problem wearing the same shoes again, guy! Women don’t really expect ‘straight’ guys to Have more than: black, brown, athletic and “saturday off” shoes in our wardrobe!
2)flowers in hand=always good. Flowers delivered before a “first date” … never a good plan. (and no, no amount of kissing and hugging and holding hands on a ‘first encounter’ brings it up to ‘first date’ level)
3) dang… I just got my brain screwed back in… it’s already Sunday, I’m thinkin’ said brown/black shoe date already happened! I hope you post the rest of the story here… I’m not sure I can navigate this board well enough yet, to find you elsewhere! (sigh) took quite a while to find my way back here, 
after getting m’self registered! (din know to note the important details…chuckle … *now wonders if gals guage a guy’s attention to the important details of a relationship … by his attention to the ‘search details’ of a board… :smack:
Gonna be a loooong time single…
ah… NOW I remember what I was going to comment on!
Dave, Dude, not to worry about ‘confessing’ your opening line!!!
- if she’s as sharp as you noted she is, she already caught on that you never went back to collect your bet from your new best friend.
- if she’s as beautiful as you noted she is, given she’s old enough to drink, she’s heard an ‘opening line’ before!
and, dude, I can sympathize with you on both "the long walk back across ‘no man’s’ land! It’s funny, I do workshops on “men and women, Yup they’re different” and women are constantly amazed to hear about ‘that walk back to your seat’ … much less the level of wicked-hurt some women put on men, just for trying to open a conversation.
So… points to you for your moment of inventiveness! My best moment ever was in an airport, back in the days of needing to use pay-phones, I was finishing up my weeks work on the phone when an amazingly beautiful woman cruised by… “I hope she’s going to my gate, I hope, I hope, I hope…” … followed by …“Oh, crap, she DID, Now what do I do?”
I walked to the gate and noticed there was an empty seat next to her carry-on, headed for it, intending to just squeak out a frightened “hi” if she looked up … then retreat to my book and wishful thinking. (I usually match your 1 in 2000 rate at ‘first encounters’) I sat down, she looked up and smiled, and some other brain than mine took over and my frightened “hi” came out sounding just like, “I’ve canceled all my plans to follow you on this plane, where are we going?”
Dave, for about 3 seconds she believed me, then just broke out laughing… we swapped seats around to sit next to eachother, then got back together after we got back to town. Oh, and you’ll appreciate this … she got a single rose delivered to her desk every Friday for the year and a half we ‘saw’ eachother. Usually with a smiling me behind it, but in the weeks I was out of town, various of her co-workers conspired with me to have it just appear on her desk when she was out of the room. Roses are Always a good idea!
Goodness judging a man by his shoes… All Parallax had for shoes when we met were sneakers Trust me if I went for wardrobe choices he would not have had a chance!
Amazingly some of us female types go for the guy INSIDE the clothes and even further we go for what’s INSIDE the skin too! Personality is underrated these days as is sense of humor and common likes/dislikes no matter how mundane.
(For the record his wardrobe has not changed much at all over the last 12 years. He owns a suit now and shoes but he had to have those for a funeral 
No polo shirts to be found)
Well, I think the shoe thing is silly, but it does happen, as Wyatt confirmed. I especially don’t like it, because I’m pretty hard on shoes, so I tend to think of them as disposable. But, I guess I will have to polish them up, for this weekend.
And, I know the feeling; trying not to get too carried away. That’s another thing I suck at. I get carried away, all the time. I guess today will tell how well things are going. If she answers my email, I’ll agree they’re going well. If not…well…I dunno. Could mean everything or it could mean nothing.
Yup. Same theory I’ve heard. It’s complete bullshit, of course, IMHO. Who the hell considers shoes as important as relationships? And, if there is such a person, why would anyone want to date them?
Thanks! I can use all the advice I can get. I actually own three pairs of black dress shoes, though. I used to wear suits every day. I’ll make a note of that “first encounter rule”, in case it’s ever relevant, again. But, no, you haven’t missed anything. The date is this coming Saturday; five long, grueling days away. The original post was Saturday night/Sunday morning, following our first encounter.
Oh, and you can bookmark threads, as well as the site. Plus, the Search page works pretty well, for most things. That’s actually how I generally find my way back, because I’m not good about deleting old bookmarks, and I don’t want to end up with thousands of them. So, I go to the Search page, put my username in the Search By Username box, and click search. By default, that gives me all the threads I’ve posted to, in the last day or so. Check it out, it’s very handy.
Well, the look she gave me said she was thinking I was probably bullshitting her, but she played along. She actually asked me how much the bet was for. (I wasn’t expecting that, and had to think fast. I said it wasn’t that kind of a bet. Which she seemed to accept.) And, when she accepted my offer, I had to go back to where Mark and I had been sitting to get my cigarettes (Yes, I was anticipating ending up there, again), so I told him the good news. (I ordered the drinks, first. The bar was right behind where we’d been sitting.) I’m sure she saw that, so she may have taken that as proof. But, yes, I’m sure she’s heard pretty much every line known to man, in her time. Which is another reason why I can’t believe this is happening.
I posted something to that effect in your thread.
Loved your story about the lady at the airport. I think you’re going to be a welcome addition to the board.
And, yet, you have that “Nice shoes” code phrase.
Yes, I know most women are more interested in the man, than his wardrobe. But, in a bar, first impressions are often last impressions, as well. So, they never get to know the man; only his appearance. In this case, we had enough opportunity to talk after we left the first bar, that she said, as we were parting, “You seem really nice”. Well, I am really nice (most of the time), given the opportunity. But, she had no way of knowing that when I first walked up to her.
And, we do have some common likes. Hopefully, I’ll discover some more, this week. I learned she likes heavy metal, like Creed, though, which is kind of bad news. And, I think she thought it was funny that I’d gone to see the Righteous Brothers. But, my ex liked Country, so it’s not a killer, I guess. At least we both like the Blues. 
Wow and I like both heavy metal and country!
Creed though is religious heavy metal so maybe that meters it down a bit… or makes it worse … I don’t know
Oh and don’t freak out about her answering Email in a timely fashion. I’ve discovered not everyone has their email always open and set to check every 60 seconds This does miff me when I am eagerly awaiting a reply but I’m mellowing!
I’m really much more concerned with personality than clothes or shoes, though a certain level of personal hygiene is required. About the only deal-killer beyond BO I have is smoking; if you smoke, sorry, nothing beyond friendship is EVER going to happen.
I have another email…I must work up the nerve to open it!
You’re kidding me! No, I suppose you’re not. But, I certainly wouldn’t have guessed that, from the clips Amazon had. And, it’s somewhat worse, for me. But, not much.
They don’t?!? What’s wrong with those people? I know, I know. I’m trying to be calm and wait patiently. But, it’s hard, when you’re constantly at about a level 6 on the stress meter.
I would imagine basic hygiene is important to the “shoe nazis”, as well. But, some people are more demanding than others. At least you are willing to be friends with smokers. A lot of people aren’t. At least that’s not an issue with Theresa and me, as we both smoke. Of course, there is the ancient Marlboro vs Winston rivalry.
Well, from what I’ve seen of you, here and elsewhere, you’re a sweetheart. And, you have two lucky rabbits feet. So, what are you worried about? Go read it!
I read it! He wants me to call…and I don’t have his phone number. Oops! Thank goodness, he’s a daily emailer; he went so far as to warn me it might be a day or so between emails. Much easier to deal with than those people who only email every few days. That drives me NUTS.
I’ll happily be friends with somebody who smokes. I just refuse to kiss anybody who does! My only rule about friends who smoke is they are not to do it in my house or car. Otherwise it’s their problem, not mine. I hate that anybody does, but I’m not going to shun people for it.
Thanks for the compliment. blushing
Wow, Tannokie, you’re Kidding, right? Next you’ll tell me there are people who get up and go to the bathroom at night, and just go back to bed, without checking email!!!
Horrifying thoughts!
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Wow blush Thanks!
Thanks for the “search for myself” tip, too… Great thought, never thought of that! … well, not literally, actually been doin’ that part of the “road less traveled” for a buncha years … keep findin’ new parts o’ me … but in the thread search … good thought …
Now if I can just find out how y’all do multiple quotes, I’m ending up typing all the brackets and stuff … gotta be a better way!
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Ah… and therein lies the hopes of men, Rabbit! Therein lies the hopes of men! (notes he agrees with Dave on this topic, too, Rabbit seems to be very kewl woman person!)
Was just re-reading the classic, “Stranger In a Strange Land” (Heinline) wherein a wonderful male charactor is telling a lovely woman, “I’m far to old and {etc. etc. etc.} for a lovely beauty like you…” and she replys to the effect, “Women are different than men. Men love our visual beauty, so we do what we can to bring that out, because it is pleasurable. Woman love the beauty of not what a man looks like, but what he Is … and inside, what you are is Very beautiful …”
badly paraphrased … but enough to give hope to the non-Favio, non-Fararri driving, non-cocky-bad-boys among us! chuckle
anyone else read that research on how women are actually drawn to different “types” depending if they are fertile or not at the time?
So, WhiteRabbit, I bow to you and all of womanhood in your ilk!
Yup Creed’s a catholic/christian heavy metal band. They aren’t doing grunge hymns or anything but their stuff has lots of religious symbolism in it.
perfect musical sympatico is near impossible to find so don’t let that get in the way of the amazingly zexy, smart, funny chick who shares your smoking habit (if not your brand loyalty!)