Oh, My Freaking God! (Looong!)

Sometimes I do consent to sex when I’m not really in the mood. Why? Because hubby is very good at making me in the mood. Why else? Well that’s married life. It is full of compromise. I watch geek movies that I don’t especially like and get pizza sometimes when I’d rather have cheeseburgers simply because he has a stronger craving than I do. He watches Dora with the munchkin while I have my friends over for girl time and keeps me company while shopping for things he really isn’t interested in (like baby clothes) while acting like shopping is exactly what he wanted to do that day.

Sometimes I say no, sorry, not in the mood tonight sweetie. He’s never gotten upset when I’ve said I’m not having sex with him tonight. As a matter of fact I’ve called a halt to sex in the middle of sex and he has never gotten upset with that either. I do not believe he should get upset but that may just be because I’m spoiled.

Am I a rare commodity that he only wants to have sex with for the rest of his life? Well that is part of why he married me… And according to hubby since he has pledged to have sex with no one other than me for the rest of his life… when he thinks about sex that automatically translates to sex with me. When I think of sex it is always with him… heck even my X rated dreams are of him - always…

I’ll also second what Rocky said… the emotional connection is vitally important to sustaining a long term relationship.

You know you are right, that is why I am divorced, there was no connection between my husband and I. It really wasn’tthe sex I was craving. I felt like a cactus in a barren desert…we had no connection at all, he was right there next to me and I was terribly lonely. That is the difference I think between a good relationship and a bad one, the emotional intimacy.

Honestly darlin’, I’ve been better…but I’ll survive.

Really sweetie, not sworn off…more like temporarily mesmerized by each other…I mean, we are all like cute little bookends and like painting toenails and well…damn, we’re hard to resist! Even for each other.

What? hmm…oh yes…*purrfectly innocent. Completely. Totally.

No, really.

[Not too soon darlin’ ~grins~)

Forget about that cold shower…
I’m so out of my league with the car discussion, I’m completely skipping it. I can downshift, and the rest…well, you guys are over my head, and I think my eyes glazed over momentarily.

Come here sweetie and let us give you a pedicure. How are you doing today?

~pulls out the bottle of red toenail polish and hands it to Psalex~

Welcome back Robot Arm and Salem!

You may not disappear again without prior permission

**White Ink], darlin’…I don’t have time to reply to your thoughts right this moment, I am supposed to be working (lunch just ended) but I will be back later to share my thoughts with you.

~hugs everyone and runs back to work~

~J

Mipiace You have a valid point. The reason I didn’t go there is because A) I’m not usually that woman B) it’s not my experience that more than 50% of women are primarily motivated by choice paths most logically calculated to get them laid. I’d never argue that these women don’t exist, as I suspect that I live with one of them (whole nother story). But I do think that is the case for at least 50% of men, based on my anecdotal experience. C) Just because a man can’t provide wood doesn’t mean that cannot be counted on to provide sexual satisfaction for a woman, just not penile satisfaction.

Petrichoid I was trying to not limit my comments to married people but also include those in committed, monogamous relationships. I know that there’s an emotional tie in those relationships. Actually, this is exactly a part of what I’m trying to wrap my head around. My basic assumption is that even when men are in these committed relationships, they’re still primarily motivated by getting sex. I fully acknowledge that some of the interrelational sexual encounters will be intimate, sharing moments with real emotional connection.

However, I’m trying to figure out what to do about the other instances where I do believe that the sex is meaningless “hoops in the driveway”, something to do that’s fun, sex that really only requires a willing partner that Mr. Dude is attracted to (but by agreement contstaints happens to be the one Mr. Dude is contracted to). I’m certain those instances exist too. I’m sure that different men have them in different ratios. I just don’t know what to do about them.

We may have all come across here as lustful and wanton creatures, but several pages ago we were discussing emotional connections and meaningful relationships. The flirting and banter that have taken place here have been play, pure and simple. Just blowing off steam, goofing off, enjoying being adults who have the freedom to make a game out flirting, and who also understand the limitations of this message board and its connection to our actual lives.

My impression is that everyone on board here, male and female, is intelligent, warm, caring and kind. We have made friends here, and I personally am emotionally invested in the happiness of many of the posters on this thread. I would happily be locked in a darkened room with any male (or female) here for a few hours, and I would guarantee you that neither of us would be expecting sex.

And I believe Optihutlost some of his feeling in the translation; he and I have discussed “the chase” on another thread, and agreed that it is true that some (most likely younger) women prefer a cocky and overtly sexual approach, and a man would be most likely to score (for lack of better word) with a bar chick if he is one of the cockiest guys in the room. As far as long term relationships, I would wager that Optihut has a different idea about intimacy with a loved one.

I have had 2 relationships in my adult life; the first 12 years, the second 2 years, and though each man has been vastly different in their approach towards intimacy; both have been nothing but generous and considerate with me. Neither would think of demanding or expecting a physical favor from me, though in truth, I wouldn’t mind if they did, because I loved the first one, and I love the present one. Each would do the same for me.

My advice (and I am not too young to give advice) is to reserve your body for those that you love. The physical act of love can sometimes seem foolish and self-sacrificing, but so is a back rub, or washing someone else’s clothes, or any other favor you perform out of love for your partner. And if you are with a partner who is in love with you, simply stating: “ I will not have sex with you unless my body is inclined” would prevent a world of guilt and hurt feelings. But don’t be surprised or disappointed if that man should privately choose to take matters into his own hands; there is a physical drive there, an itch that likes to be scratched. Testosterone is a biological feature that influences both men and women- but the degree of importance varies widely from person to person. Differing levels of that hormone can create issues, but before the first encounter a discussion of each partners wants and expectations should be discussed. Simply put: don’t have sex until or unless each of you can clearly communicate your feelings.

Men exactly like the men in this thread are the most appealing and attractive men to me- and I believe all here to be gentlemen who would prefer a mutually satisfying emotional and physical relationship to a one night stand. The men who would not use your body in such a selfish way are right here. I would happily date any one of the men I have been chatting with here, and would promise you even before they chime in their opinions that all would expect and appreciate ladylike behavior from me as well.

mipiace, please back me up here- though I prefer quiet, intelligent professional men, I can also hold my own in a room full of drunken football players. Those guys know that none of them will be in my bed if their behavior is less than respectful. Even cocky men can turn out to be gentlemen if you set the tone of the relationship. Though I blush easily, I can handle a dirty joke or a curse word without bristling- but if a man puts his hands on me without my permission, he can expect violence, not a sexual favor. It is generally up to women to set the initial tone for a relationship. Ladylike women attract gentlemen.

The second standing ovation in this thread goes to Psalex. Very, very well said!

I guess I should put it on the record that I am in fact, in a 2.5 year relationship which is serious and stable. I am in fact, emotionally bound to my parter, as I believe he is to me.

I’m trying to solve two problem sets here, one is theoretical, as I eye the race of men somewhat generically and try to wrap my brain around some patterns that I don’t understand (and probably as a result) which also make me feel icky. The other is directly related to the SOTR (state of the relationship) with My Own Private Mr. Dude, and some specific issues there. I just thought the most logical approach was to start with the general and make my way down to the specific.

And yet again, thanks all for your insightful, well-considered replies, it’s clear that you’ve taken time and energy to piece out your answers.

**White Ink **, your experiences and impressions are not foreign to any woman here. Men are different from women, period. Please consider e-mailing one of us, I would recommend Simple Dreamer. She had the good fortune to be born with a figure that incites men to make fools of themselves, and has probably seen more than her share of sexual aggressiveness; inspired by her shape, not her graceful carriage. She is the most ladylike woman I have ever met, and can probably relate to your current relationship issues better than any of us.

And to address the other comment about the motivations of women- I am sending you a picture of my home, my sports cars, and my boyfriend. I own the home, I own the cars, the boyfriend makes less than I do, and is shy, sweet, and quite nerdy. Really, very, nerdy.

mipiace is likewise self-made and self-sufficient. I can’t speak for all of the women in this thread; all have not volunteered the personal information that mipiace and I have spilled, but my impression is that every woman here; regardless of age or shape, is above gold-digging and none seem to suffer from the self-doubt that plagues those women who make poor choices in partners. We all seem to like gentlemen, in spite of our rowding teasing and flirting.

You are speaking to a different crowd at Davebear’sthan you might find in a random sample around you. We all seem to be looking to achieve higher meaning in our life; either spiritually, through knowledge, or by association with others of character and intelligence. You couldn’t find a more diverse group of sympathetic and thoughtful friends in any other environment.

Thanks, Davebear. You are truly a prince among men.

Psalex, you make me blush. White Ink, I’d be happy to talk with you via email if you want, but be forwarnd I am dealing with my own set of emotional wounds right now. But I also believe I really understand how you’re feeling, and that’s probably why I’ve been so quiet on the subject.

So, is anyone gonna bring out a cake? Today’s the 9th anniversary of my wedding. :slight_smile:

Psalex,

I know, that’s why I blurted everything out. I hope my tone hasn’t seemed angry, bitter, argumentative or overly cold. That’s my writing style. I’m just trying to explore some inner issues so that I don’t fuck up a nice relationship with a nice guy.

sigh

Some randomness,

I don’t really know what my motivation was with hubby besides being head over heels in love with him.

Hubby and I committed to eachother when we were both naive, silly college kids of 19. We married at 23 and have never thought of life without eachother. I’ve certainly never doubted that I made a poor choice of hubby and father of munchkins.

I can’t say I’m self made or self sufficient… I’m a SAHM and will be for the next few years. This is a choice we made together and what works for us. I am emotionally self made though… if you knew the screwed up, cynical, suicidal teenager that I was you would never be able to reconcile that person with who I am today. There are days when I can’t!

Men are different from women but I believe that in most cases those differences compliment eachother and make the couple stronger.

WhiteInk, I heartily recommend lots of honest communication with your nice guy. I’ve found guys don’t take hints well but respond best to straightforward expressions of wants/needs/expectations. I’m not sure if the specific issues in your SOTR quandry are related to your generic assessment of men as a group but please don’t judge your guy by his gender alone! Like the other ladies here… my email is always in my profile for those who want to vent off board.

SimpleDreamer, what kind of cake would you like? Or shall we have a joint celebration midweek? (My anniversary is the 21st) Or are those wounds too raw for celebration and this is comfort cake? hug

Good evening all! Here’s some of my random thoughts…
Last car hijack… Psalex, you said about Chargers in suround sound. When I was married, Mrs. mean-nasty-human-being and I would go to the County Fair on redneck alert… Tractor Pull night. Some of the extreme custom one’s would have THREE hemis, one behind the other. Talk about surround sound!
About men and relationships… I am worthless at picking up women. I really haven’t ever tried to in a bar. (I like to find new and inventive ways to strike out!) That being said, I wouldn’t want a one-night-stand anyways. I can only imagine how I’d feel in the morning, next to some woman you don’t know. You might be with someone who is really nice or she could be a psycho. It just seems so impersonal!

The few relationships I’ve had were slow developing, except my wife. I knew them all as friends for a while and then things changed. My wife and I fell headlong very fast! We were sickeningly in love. But even that wasn’t like a first date thing. It was a couple of months before we had sex. And we both knew that we were committed to each other.

About marital/SO itches… with my wife, til towards the end, we never really had any problems, we both were usually raring to go. If one of us was less than eager, the other could always change their mind. With the other two, it was kind of like that also. But if they really weren’t in the mood, that was ok with me. I wouldn’t want to feel like I was using anyone to “service” myself.

About current status… like I alluded to earlier, I crashed and burned really bad about three years ago. Since then I have thrown in the towel. I am finished with women from here on out. And I’m (now) fine with that. I’m happy being single.
BTW, tanookie, it sounds like you have a wonderful marriage. You’re lucky.

Sorry for the long rant. Hope it makes sense.

Happy Anniversary, Simple Dreamer! :smiley:

if6was9, your username indicates a sense of humour, and at least a mild interest in the opposite sex, in spite of your “swearing off of women” and the way you brush my obvious flirting aside. My bf has no interest in muscle cars, and has threatened to destroy a favorite pair of sandals if I try to watch Bullitt again. (The sandals are perched atop the DVD as we speak) If I lived anywhere near you- you would be changing your mind about women, or at least trying desperately to rid yourself of an enthusiastic escort to car shows (though you might have to get me drunk to talk me into a tractor pull) :wink:

tanookie, you really have your sh** together.

Optihut, I apologize for speaking for you earlier- I know you to be a gentleman with a kind heart. From your earlier posts, you have a lot on your mind- have you had a response to your inquiry yet?

peritrochoid, you are exactly the sort of man that women want to fall in love with. Exactly.

Jaade, what’s up? Not feeling your usual bubbly self? Share, while I rub your feet.

:: blushing profusely ::
Thank you, Psalex! In all seriousness, I truly appreciate that compliment. :slight_smile:

White Ink, where to begin?

I almost don’t need to say a word, Psalex, tanookie and mipiace have done such a fabulous job. But I’ll throw in my two cents.

I felt the way you do…sorta. When I was married, I began to feel very used. I told him when I divorced him that he’d made me feel like I meant two things to him: a babysitter and a screw.

I can’t agree with this statement:

I can’t imagine that feeling sweetie, and my heart breaks that you feel that way. It’s obvious that you are struggling with something quite serious here.
Yes, men do seem hard-wired to be a bit more sexually motivated than women. It’s true that men (in general) put a great emphasis on sex. But Psalex is right, there are men that are pigs, and there are men that are gentlemen. There are men out there that aren’t just after a quick lay. There are men out there that consider women to be goddesses, for lack of a better word. I have to say here, this feeling has to come from somewhere, I would guess from an experience you had at some time in your past. I think that if you can figure out what that is (or if you know what that it), it would be a better place to start.

I’m sorry, I probably should have left this for even later. My mind is in another place right now, and I will revisit this later, if needed.
Part of my mind is on Sept 11th. I have that odd, don’t let it happen again, thing going on. I don’t think anything will, but only time will tell. I completely agree with Psalex in that each of you has come to be quite important to me here. (or as she said, I’m emotionally invested in your happiness)

I’m afraid I can’t really share til tomorrow darlin, I’ll fill you in as soon as I’m able…it’s quite newsworthy, but delicate…

Thanks for your concern doll

~J

I’ll bet I would! I’ll bet I would! :wink:

I doubt I’d try to rid myself of you!

If 6 Was 9 is a Hendrix song. “If a 6 turned out to be 9, I don’t mind. I don’t mind.” i.e. If everything turned out to be completely upside down, that’s cool. There is a certain humor in that.

And I swear I never thought of the sexual connotations in that. Leave it to YOU to see it first. That’s why we all love ya darlin’! :slight_smile:

BTW, where’s Davebear been? I saw a rumor in another thread that he has a hot date friday night. I’m such a sap, I still hope it’s with Theresa!
Man, the hamsters are like on life-support, tonight! :frowning:

I’ve been wondering what that was all about…

~J

Davebear has a hot date, and he didn’t post about it here?

~pouts~ I feel so…deserted.

What? WHAT? D’Bear’s holding out on us? :eek:

How are we students of the Legendary One supposed to learn his craft if we’re not properly informed of … umm … observational opportunities? :mad::mad: