Ms. Gray’s Wikipedia page indicates that she is sympathetic to Palestinians and supports a democratic, secular one-State solution, which are widely held opinions in the US. I’m not seeing anything about her thoughts on Ukraine.
When the topic under discussion is “is the number of people holding these views very small, or actually zero?”, anecdotal evidence about something you once saw on the internet somewhere seems like a fine contribution. This isn’t a topic where we need to be rigorous in demanding cites, especially from a poster who is clearly on the Left himself and isn’t (AFAIK) known for posting in poor faith (If octoputz had posted that list, it would be a different story).
Well, fertility deities are more of pagan thing than far left, but whatever brings you closer to divinity is fine by me.
That would be closer to 5% of people overall which I find more believable than 10%.
I do encounter the “comply or die” crowd regularly, but even many people in that crowd feel that Chauvin used an inappropriate amount of power (even if they feel that it doesn’t rise to the level of criminality). They are more likely to believe that Floyd deserved to be arrested, but that doesn’t mean he deserved to die.
According to this poll, the majority of Republicans said that the George Floyd incident was a murder; most of the remaining Republicans said it was overuse of force but not murder; and only 12% said it was an accident. (Presumably those who believe that Chauvin did nothing wrong are a subset of that 12% who don’t think it was a crime or non criminal overuse of force). That’s compared to 8% of Democrats, so while there’s a statistically significant difference, it isn’t Earth shattering.
I agree and like I mentioned, I cut these people off.
the concept of ‘the left’ is very broad. IMO there is the center left and the far left. I’m center left.
But even in that view, there are subcultures. Within the far left there are humane, rational, informed people who espouse anarchist, socialist and communist ideas. Good for them.
But there is a very toxic subculture in the far left. As to what % of Americans subscribe to it? I have no idea. If I had to guess and pull a number out of my ass, I’d guess maybe 2-5% of US voters are toxic far left voters.
So they’re in a tiny minority. Far lower than the 25% of US voters I would consider toxic far right (MAGA Trump worshippers).
Another thing that comes up is the toxic far left is constantly destroying alliances due to ideological purity. I posted an article above showing that the toxic far left had expunged AOC and Bernie Sanders (as well as Biden) for lacking ideological purity. @Der_Trihs talked about the toxic far left expunging the democratic socialists of america for lack of ideological purity.
Meanwhile the toxic far right has managed to intimidate, cajole, and co-opt the spineless center right and right leaning centrists into supporting their agendas.
Point being, the toxic far left and the toxic far right both exist. But the toxic far right is a much, much, much bigger threat to America due to their larger numbers and their ability to dominate other factions. Meanwhile the toxic far left is a far smaller % of voters and they alienate other factions and marginalize themselves, they do not take over other factions in the left.
Having said all that, the toxic far left do exist. They’re annoying, morally bankrupt and destructive, but luckily they have no real power.
The only real power the toxic far left possess is the ability to sit out elections or vote third party in close elections, handing those elections to the center right and far right candidates in our first past the post voting system.
Thats what I did wrong. Next time I’ll have an orgy with aphrodite, demeter and venus.
I do want to respond to this, but its a sensitive topic.
For one thing, as a cishet, middle class, college educated white male its difficult to discuss the civil rights of groups that do not fall within my demographic. I have experienced a lot of privilege in my life because of my demographics, and because of that I admit I have some unspoken assumptions that are unfair and oppressive towards marginalized groups.
For another thing, this is the BBQ pit. It is full of emotionally damaged people desperately scanning their environment, looking for any signs of weakness, vulnerability or non-conformity in others so that they can pounce on it and inflict large amounts of verbal attacks with the goal of causing shame and suffering in other people to temporarily salve their own internal wounds and insecurities. Because of that, its also hard to discuss as I open myself up to those attacks at the slightest sign of non-conformity to social mores.
But thats what you are doing right now. I never said the majority of black people disdained education. You are engaging in a strawman argument. I said there were some black people who disdain the toxic subculture that some black people subscribe to. You are inventing a strawman to make me look bad so you can feed off the pain and suffering you (wrongly) think you are causing me to compensate for your own insecurities and traumas. Of course you’ll say something like ‘nah I just don’t like racist pieces of shit’ but the fact that you lack self awareness doesn’t change anything.
Is racism bad? Yes. Black people have been treated like shit for centuries. Black people have only even begun to have meaningful opportunities in the last few decades, but the level of net worth among black people is far lower than whites because whites have had generations to amass generational wealth in the form of good jobs, investments and real estates that parents can pass onto their children, something that black people were denied up until a few decades ago.
But among oppressed and marginalized groups, there are going to be people who are disgusted by the toxic subcultures within those groups that drive back progress and give that group a bad name. I’ve seen this with black people, I’ve seen it in the LGBTQ community. I see it in the left, that is why I made this thread, because the toxic subculture of leftism I was exposed to disgusted me as a leftist.
But it doesn’t even have to be an oppressed culture. I’m a cishet white male. I fully admit cishet white males are a massive problem in the US. If someone could snap their fingers and make all cishet white males go away, then fascism would disappear as a threat. We’d all have universal healthcare, democracy would dramatically expand, bipartisanship would come back, income inequality would dramatically improve, we would be able to engage in large scale efforts to stop climate change and life would be much better for many oppressed groups (women, LGBTQ, POC, immigrants, etc).
I am disgusted by the subculture of cishet white males like the MAGA movement who are desperately trying to hold onto their status and privileges by supporting fascism, domestic terrorism and political crimes in an effort to make life miserable for out-groups in an attempt to enjoy the status and privilege that comes from being the in-group.
But to reiterate, I said ‘the subset of black people’. A toxic subculture. I never said ‘every’. You and the other peopel here are just desperately looking for signs of non-conformity to social mores to use as an excuse to inflict verbal abuse on others to compensate for your own traumas and insecurities. Does that bother me? No. You have no reason to believe me, but I don’t respect some of you enough to value your opinions. I don’t say that defensively, its just the way things are. If you want to respond to that with more verbal abuse, be my guest. There are people whose respect I crave, people whose respect I am neutral about, and people whose respect I actively want to lose. Its part of growing up. You stop wanting everyone to like you, and you decide that some people you want to like you, some you don’t care if they like you, and some people you want to actively dislike you.
Your family sounds errr complicated.
Keep telling yourself that.
Holy shit I can’t imagine how that can even happen. And I would not put up with that little so and so calling adult you a, “commie.” I’m pretty sue it’s not meant as a compliment. What a freakin’ brat.
Picking nits in the most annoying way: Venus and Aphrodite are the same ermm person? goddess?
I would say eating three butternut squashes would be a bit much, even if you liked them.
I would have said Hestia, Artemis, or Hera rather than Venus (since that’s just mixing in Roman terminology with Greek).
I excluded Athena intentionally because I am not going to diss Athena.
There are many assumptions in this post. I’m not a psychiatrist or mental health professional of any kind. Many people in the pit, me maybe, like to be a bit more up front and in your face about disagreement. I, am not looking to find, “weaknesses,” to exploit. Inrl I can’t debate people even politely, I work in such a place where I can’t wear anything the least bit political. For me the pit offers some fun and at times aggressive debate. I get in trouble in P&E sometimes because if someone says something I think is stupid, I post before I think. I’m working on it ok?
I don’t think it’s fair to paint a group of people whom you’ve never even met irl as a bunch of damaged psychos. Not a quote, but sort of a paraphrase. If you can’t take criticism (with no diplomacy to say the very least) the pit is probably not a good venue for you. I mean it is the pit you are allowed to be an asshole if you so choose.
I think my fundamental disagreement with your basic premise comes down to degree, as others have mentioned.
When I was young, you’d find a weird classified ad in the back of a male-oriented magazine, and then you’d write to the PO Box, asking to be added to their mailing list.
A bunch of antisocial, cognitively rigid, unsophisticated incel types, living off-the-grid in The Hills would mimeograph 3,500 copies of The Monthly Hate, and three weeks later … yours would arrive.
That’s still the outer fringes of the left. They aren’t well organized, they aren’t well funded, they aren’t influential, they aren’t reading from the same hymnal, and nobody in the hallowed halls of the US Congress represents their interests.
Like at all.
Contrast that to the current GOP – particularly the MAGA subset.
I bet she was hot though?
I guess she looks good for her age.
Well, you know they’re immortal right? And probably bored. You have to think up ways to amuse them.
I mean … a bunch of could just show up and moon her, but that would be cruel.
Mooning Artemis would just be ironic though.