Don’t know if it has been mentioned in the thread but I wonder if this was at all inspired by the case of Mitchell Rupe. He was on Washington’s death row when a judge overturned the death penalty because Rupe was too fat.
At more than 400 pounds, the judge feared that hanging (the method that would be used; it is now lethal injection though I believe the inmate can opt for hanging if they wish) had too high a risk of decapitation.
Sleeps With Butterflies, see post #129 for a guide to the differences and similarities between Cooey, principled supporters of the death penalty, and twerps like the dunce. Then, if you’re still confused, consult…well, someone. Honestly, “…don’t let sanity keep you from your protecting the condemned from those scary insults and laughter.”??? You’re thinking insults and laughter are the sane response to a human condemned to death? Forget post #129 and consult someone now.
And it’s good to see that dunce hasn’t lived up to his promise to move on: because that promise was just a self-serving escape hatch and everyone knew it. Welcome back, danceswithscat: good to have another proof that even your own definition of rational is too much for you to live up to.
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Sleeps With Butterflies, see post #129 for a guide to the differences and similarities between Cooey, principled supporters of the death penalty, and twerps like the dunce. Then, if you’re still confused, consult…well, someone. Honestly, “…don’t let sanity keep you from your protecting the condemned from those scary insults and laughter.”??? You’re thinking insults and laughter are the sane response to a human condemned to death? Forget post #129 and consult someone now.
And it’s good to see that dunce hasn’t lived up to his promise to move on: because that promise was just a self-serving escape hatch and everyone knew it. Welcome back, danceswithscat: good to have another proof that even your own definition of rational is too much for you to live up to.
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So you think it is INSANE to insult someone who raped and murdered two women?
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So you think it is INSANE to insult someone who raped and murdered two women?
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You’re not going to get very far with The Stink of Poop. He makes it a point to attack me and the things in which I believe, such as conducting oneself according to the law, accepting responsibility, not lying, working to earn what you have and other stuff we were taught by our parents. Heaven knows what he was taught, other than to be an argumentative bastard and take a contrary stance just to do so. Bug eyed little rat dogs yap so long as they can draw breath.
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You’re not going to get very far with The Stink of Poop. He makes it a point to attack me and the things in which I believe, such as conducting oneself according to the law, accepting responsibility, not lying, working to earn what you have and other stuff we were taught by our parents. Heaven knows what he was taught, other than to be an argumentative bastard and take a contrary stance just to do so. Bug eyed little rat dogs yap so long as they can draw breath.
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Well, I’m not a supporter of the death penalty. I fully understand why people believe we should use it, but I just cannot personally reconcile killing someone. I respectfully ask not to debate that.
I can understand why he feels the man should not be put to death, but I cannot understand why he feels that the man is above insults or ridicule.
We’re all condemned to death as soon as we’re born. This man’s death has a date attached to it because he willfully chose to rape and murder two women.
I’m sorry if he had a hard upbringing, but when you choose to live outside the law there are consequences for your actions. I reserve the right to think he’s a filthy piece of scum who degraded, violated, and took the lives of two women who should still be alive. Mr Soup can think I need help and should see someone for it, but I’ll take his opinion for what it’s worth if he feels that I don’t have the right to have contempt for a murderer.
Other than a difference of opinion regarding DP, you and I don’t have a disagreement.
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I’m sorry if he had a hard upbringing, but when you choose to live outside the law there are consequences for your actions.
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The consequence for living in a society that permits the death penalty is a higher murder rate.
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The consequence for living in a society that permits the death penalty is a higher murder rate.
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Despite this being the pit I’m not trying to be argumentative, but do you have a unbiased cite for this assertion?
[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
The consequence for living in a society that permits the death penalty is a higher murder rate.
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Not due to recidivism, so what do you mean?
A clemency hearing will be held today in Columbus for Cooey. Members of the Ohio Parole Authority will hear arguments for and against proceeding with the execution. Cooey will not appear.
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A clemency hearing will be held today in Columbus for Cooey. Members of the Ohio Parole Authority will hear arguments for and against proceeding with the execution. Cooey will not appear.
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Fat bastard probably couldn’t fit through the door.
Because he’s fat.
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Despite this being the pit I’m not trying to be argumentative, but do you have a unbiased cite for this assertion?
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States Without the Death Penalty Have Had Consistently Lower Murder Rates
Please, Queen of Dupes, pranceswithscat, Sucks Off Butterflies, buttholejockey308, Queerdave, and Fucks Itself… can’t we just be civil?
[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
States Without the Death Penalty Have Had Consistently Lower Murder Rates
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That’s a very cool cite (and site). On the other hand you said, “The consequence for living in a society that permits the death penalty is a higher murder rate.” Correlation does not mean causation, it’s just as reasonable to think that states with high murder rates choose to implement the death penalty.
I wonder if there are before and after studies of any states that added or removed the death penalty.
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States Without the Death Penalty Have Had Consistently Lower Murder Rates
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I’m seeing correlation as opposed to causation in that data. I wonder how the statistics compare to other violent crimes for those states and times. It seems that murders are down overall too, which has to be a good thing, though I’m wondering why.
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Problem is though, that our justice system isn’t so equitable. Only a small percentage of murderers get sentenced to death, and when they do it’s after years of appeals. There’s also the disturbing fact that a minority is disproportionately more likely to be sentenced to death than a white guy who committed the same crime. Here’s a cite
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I noticed 3 out of the 4 lines in your cite were “seeking” with only one remaining “resulting”. So I had to go look up some things. There are currently 52 inmates on death row in South Carolina, 22 are white - 42%. From 1998-2000 there were 303 people arrested for murder in SC, 69 were white - 23% white. (Yes, I realize that’s not complete data, but it should be close enough for the Pit.) Looks like to me that’s a nearly double rate of death penalty for white murders in South Carolina. Normally, I’m all down with the ACLU, but that particular piece of propoganda is bullshit.
[QUOTE=Sleeps With Butterflies]
So you think it is INSANE to insult someone who raped and murdered two women?
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Once that someone has been found and secured by the authorities, your violently aggressive impulses become your own problem, kid. You’re again missing (along with the shift key) the fact that insulting and gloating over a helpless man’s death (however heinous his offense) is the same behavior that I’m objecting to and you’re defending. This ability will make you a good friend to the dunce, provided you and he can continue to pretend that your and his disagreement over whether it’s okay to kill a man is less important than your and his agreement that your personal feelings of contempt for another person trump all other arguments. Sleepy, people are dead, and more are probably going to die: just maybe, right now, your and dunce’s right to insult people isn’t top of the list.
The Ohio Parole Board is expected to submit its recommendations to Gov. Ted Strickland on Sept. 2. The victims’ brothers attended and spoke at the hearing; Jon Offredo said, “It is inherently clear that Richard Cooey has taken no responsibility for his actions and shows no remorse for killing Wendy and Dawn.” Robert McCreery Jr. said, “We will never get over this. The wounds have never been given the chance to close.”
Summit County Prosecutor Sherri Bevan Walsh told the board, “Twenty-two years have passed and no one has forgotten the brutal and senseless murders of Wendy Offredo and Dawn McCrerry and no one has forgotten the name of Richard Cooey.”
Cooey’s attorney described him as “remorseful to the point of self-loathing.” He issued a statement Monday in which he said “'It was a complete and utter abomination unto myself as well as the families and to you as representatives of the society.” However, he continues to contend that his co-defendent Clint Dickens committed the murders.
The board can recommend that the sentence be carried out, or that Cooey’s sentence be reduced to life without the possibility of parole.
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Once that someone has been found and secured by the authorities, your violently aggressive impulses become your own problem, kid. You’re again missing (along with the shift key) the fact that insulting and gloating over a helpless man’s death (however heinous his offense) is the same behavior that I’m objecting to and you’re defending. This ability will make you a good friend to the dunce, provided you and he can continue to pretend that your and his disagreement over whether it’s okay to kill a man is less important than your and his agreement that your personal feelings of contempt for another person trump all other arguments. Sleepy, people are dead, and more are probably going to die: just maybe, right now, your and dunce’s right to insult people isn’t top of the list.
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My, but you’re a self-righteous little fellow. Speaking only for myself, though I suspect for more of the group here, I’ve weighed the ramifications of the death penalty and reasoned through the ideals, problems and objections and despite your rabid machinations still believe, that for some crimes, especially those of the magnitude committed by Cooey, that the penalty should be death. It is not for every case, it is not for every person, but for this case and cases like it, the offender decides his life to be forfeit the moment he chooses the wrong thing over the right one. Though I am loathe to use quotes invoking god, I think this is most apropos:
WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH.
WE SEEK JUSTICE.
THE COURTS REQUIRE IT.
THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
AND GOD DEMANDS IT!
Spray painted on a wall on the site of the Murrah building in 1995.
In this case and cases like it all over the country, men who commit horrible crimes in the name of their own self-righteous vanity must understand that the penalty for such arrogance, the cost for their own selfish indignation against real or percieved wrongs is, indeed, death. Though you object, though many object because of the fallible nature of the process, the punishment is, most often, befitting the crime. It is understood that no human endeavor is free from our inherent limitations, however I sleep the sleep of the just knowing that men like Timothy McVeigh, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Speck and Ronald Gray have gone on from this world at the hands of the state that I help fund.
It is your right to disagree, and indeed, the free and open discourse is the foundation of our constitutional freedoms, however I cannot and will not let your unabashed arrogance go unchecked. Your opinion, however valid you might consider it, is not so correct that it frees you to be a complete and utter lout, this being the pit, or not.
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My, but you’re a self-righteous little fellow. Speaking only for myself, though I suspect for more of the group here, I’ve weighed the ramifications of the death penalty and reasoned through the ideals, problems and objections and despite your rabid machinations still believe, that for some crimes, especially those of the magnitude committed by Cooey, that the penalty should be death.
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Relax, Scotsman: it isn’t your type he’s excoriating. It’s the fanged, slavering, subhuman archetype who exists solely on blood lust and human misery. A fanciful creature, heretofore never witnessed in nature and still elusive—visible only fleetingly, like a pixelated Sasquatch, through a ponderous and highly creative reading of comments made by danceswithcats.
As with Bigfoot and those “3D image posters,” I personally fail to see it—i.e., the moral equivalence between vicious rape and murder and ambivalence toward (or even satisfaction in) the killer’s own impending death—but Soup won’t be denied a vehicle for his trademark florid hectoring.
It must be hard, descending from the mount with his stone tablets, only to find nobody’s listening. Makes me a little sad.