I don’t. Knowing something and caring about it is two different things.
Who is objecting to a Holocaust Memorial?
The list of symbols there include ones for atheism and the American Humanist Movement, neither of which are religions. Also, there’s an eagle in there that I’m reading as non-religious, unless “America! Fuck yeah!” has become a recognized religious belief. Plus a few that I don’t understand the meaning of in general, like the crane Terr linked to, or the infinity symbol.
(I mean, I understand what the infinity symbol means in general, I’m just not sure what the significance is when placed on a headstone.)
That’s when our apparently purely semantic and pointless debate about what “Holocaust” refers to in a recent thread comes to matter in real life issues.
Of course they did; the Nazi slaughter of the Jews was just one more chapter in the long persecution of Jews by Christians. If that Christian hatred hadn’t been a part of the Nazi worldview, there’d probably have been no particular effort towards the killing of Jews. The eugenics aspects were just their particular handwave as to why the extermination of Jews was “necessary”; not really any different than the claim used as an excuse by others that Jews use the blood of children in their religious rituals.
I work right across the street from the statehouse. There’s been a fair bit of controversy over this thing. I haven’t particularly followed the whole thing, but some state pol was [del]butthurt[/del]deeply offended at… something about this, and so a) resigned his post as Chair of the Capitol Square Board and b) erected a spectacularly ugly mock-up of it so that we could all get a better understanding of what it would look like. Don’t ask me; I just live here.
As to this new thing: meh. I more or less like the FFRF, and have considered joining up. This is a bit silly, IMO. It’s a historical event particularly associated with an ethnic group; the Star of David is particularly associated with that ethnic group. Nothing religious is happening here.
Let me ask you this: if not the Star of David, what other symbol would you use to represent Jews?
Does a symbol that exclusively represents Jews need to be the focus of a Holocaust Memorial? The two runners-up didn’t think so.
Well, here’s another good question…why the hell do we need another Holocaust memorial? In Ohio, no less?
Not downplaying the event itself, but damn.
None, because generally the distinction is not of any significance.
Note that your list of “religious symbols” includes a symbol recognizing “atheism” (USVA emblem 16). I assume you would agree atheism is not a religion.
What athiest groups have “objected to this misrepresentation”?
You’ve made some preposterous statements on this subject in the last couple of days. I’m tempted to treat them as trolling because of their nature and the potential for hijacks when you say this kind of thing. For now I’ll just tell you to stop and keep your statements at least reality-adjacent.
That isn’t the right question.
The issue is not whether the star “needs” to be the focus, as obviously it does not. There are any number of possible memorials not requiring a star.
The question is whether the star must be excluded as the focus.
The only possible legal basis would be that based on the notion that the government is prohibited from displaying religious symbols. Which, as has been demonstrated, is not the case with this star.
Other than that, it is a matter of opinion as to whether it is in good taste to have a star as part of such a memorial. Reasonable people could differ on that - meaning, the objectors have no case.
The U.S. Government doesn’t designate the atheism symbol as a religious symbol.
Question: What is the main religious symbol of Judaism, if the Star of David is only the tribal symbol?
And paid for by tax dollars? And commemorating a European event?
I’m thinking a memorial to these folks might be more appropriate to the state of Ohio.
No-it has not been conclusively demonstrated that the Star of David is not a religious symbol, although it has been shown that it is also a tribal symbol.
Wow, I have some reading to, which supports your idea.
I looked at the map and saw that several counties and a city in Kansas share the names of those tribes…why are they named after tribes in Ohio?
I’m ruling out voluntary migration…
Huh? It’s on your list, the same one you posted to demonstrate the Star of David is a “religious symbol”.
Either the list is proof of US government designation, in which case they both are so designated, or it isn’t such proof.
The symbol most associated with Judaism - as - religion, rather than Judaism -as-ethnicity, is the menorah.
There can be various symbols. A Torah scroll. The 10 commandments tablets. Even a Hanukkiyah.
But I think using the Magen David for the US Government tombstone symbol for Jews is ok. That covers all Jews, no matter what their beliefs are.
Ok - can you point out where Magen David is mentioned in the Torah? Talmud?
It covers anyone that gives Judaism as their religion. Furthermore, the insignia for Jewish chaplains of the U.S. Army, Navy and Air Force all contain the Star Of David.