OK, enough's enough

Something else just occured to me…

I name no names, nor do I plan on making this into a flame war, and though I could look back and find concrete evidence, I choose not to, in the hopes that anyone the following bit of logic might apply to will know it within themselves…

To wit: A lot of people were infuriated at the possibility of censorship which cost a moderator her employ here.

In addition: A lot of people are infuriated that C3 is seemingly given free reign here, and not taken to task by the powers that be.

I’m willing to bet that many Dopers think and/or acted (posted) in agreeance with both of the above recent dilemas.

I submit that to be total hypocrisy and nothing less… And if you are someone who felt this way, I suggest you learn to take the protected speech you don’t agree with with the stuff you would fight to be able to express and be heard.

Something else just occured to me…

I name no names, nor do I plan on making this into a flame war, and though I could look back and find concrete evidence, I choose not to, in the hopes that anyone the following bit of logic might apply to will know it within themselves…

To wit: A lot of people were infuriated at the possibility of censorship which cost a moderator her employ here.

In addition: A lot of people are infuriated that C3 is seemingly given free reign here, and not taken to task by the powers that be.

I’m willing to bet that many Dopers think and/or acted (posted) in agreeance with both of the above recent dilemas.

I submit that to be total hypocrisy and nothing less… And if you are someone who felt this way, I suggest you learn to take the protected speech you don’t agree with with the stuff you would fight to be able to express and be heard.

Maybe we should try to remember that we are guests, the Straight Dope AND his minions are the hosts, and act accordingly. If you get drunk, try not to throw up on the carpet. If you are called aside and asked not to do something, try to remember where you are. And if the host doesn’t want to talk about something, just remember who’s paying for that beer that you’re drinking.
This website isn’t free, and unless a majority of us can show our reciepts for a Chicago Reader subscription, it does NOT pay for itself.
So I say Thank You for the time, Thank You for the effort shown(and NOT shown), and Thank You for showing a sense of humor in these trying times.

{{[[That one was too tricky for you, huh?]]
What are you refering to? The tires or the attorney thing?}} C3
Both, apparently.

Thank you. I’ve noticed the ones screaming the loudest over a moderator’s posts being censored and a moderator being fired for her “politically incorrect” viewpoint are now the ones screaming loudest that moderators be forced to post under a psuedonym. I’ll never understand that kind of pretzel logic/ethic.

[[Thanks for the grudgingly-given compliment Jess. If I ever called you an ignorant slut I take it back…]]

No, that was me. I’m the ignorant slut. And don’t you forget it.

Nick - Everybody knows I’m the one screaming loudest over deleted posts and making moderators totally impartial(faceless). I NEVER objected to Melin’s firing.

In fact, I think you should all be fired.

(You can all thank Nick for evoking the following rant)

I always hated the in-crowd when I was in High School. You know. That cliquish group that always hung together and pronounced their group judgement from on high. You modererators have made it clear that some here are more equal than others. You could easily ignore Connie, yet you all insist on using him to make yourselves feel superior. Even when posting to members who haven’t garnered your wrath, you write in the most patronizing and paternal manner imaginable. (If Nick calls me “dear reader” one more time I’m going to break my knuckles on the monitor screen.)

If nothing else, these threads show that none of the moderatators are impartial. In fact they have a gang mentality that spurs them all to jump to each others defence as soon as any sign of opposition shows itself.

The fact that none of you want to moderate under a pseudonym, just shows how ego-driven your participation in this board is. You really love seeing that “moderator” tag under your names. It would just kill you to be demoted back to member. None of you volunteered out of the goodness of your hearts. You volunteered so you could be “better” than people like Connie.

As members I found you all quite fair and informative. As moderators you’re the biggest bunch of elitist snobs this side of a DAR meeting.

I just dropped back to see if anything had changed.

I see the moderators have not stopped arbitrarily deleting threads of people they don’t like based on their whims. I see they still do not treat members with respect, and have still shown themselves unable to back down or apologize.

sigh

Later,
Your Quadell

Nick…you, along with most other moderators, still refuse to “get it”. As one who was screaming loudest…The issue was over deleting entire threads. (The fact that you choose to delete some posts for minor offenses and leave others with major offenses is arbitrary on your part, and therefore questionable) There were a lot of people having an honest open discussion on that thread…the best one I’ve seen on this forum. Total disregard was shown for all of us. The firing of Melin inflamed some of us because she was protesting what some of us saw as a prejudicial statement. (or in Cecil’s words…fighting ignorance.) FTR: You have never heard me express a desire for anyone to alternate identities. I like to actually listen and discuss with A person, not multiple personalities. But that will never happen on the web…so why act as though anyone does or does not represent honestly?

As far as I can see, some of you fit perfectly into Papabear’s summation, though I hate to use words like none, all, never, etc. You also seem to see those of us that protested as some sort of gang/group, because you never did recognize that we all had individual points to make, let alone really listen to what they were. What can I say…ignorance abounds.

As far as deleting of individual posts is concerned: I don’t understand what the uproar is about. I am not offended by language, content, etc. If a post is making an actual, valid point…I read it. If someone is attacking, swearing, trolling, etc. for the express purpose of throwing a tantrum or flaming someone…I don’t read the post. EASY!! If I come to the pit and check out threads I may find some interesting topics, I may find pointless rants. Some or all of the posts may be informative or enlightening, others may be, in my opinion, childish foot-stomping. Whatever it is, I expect to see offensive entries in this forum. I simply skip the posts that have nothing to do with anything outside the person doing the spewing. Regarding the present target…I may have found flaming or playing devil’s advocate to often be the case with Con #3; I choose to approach his/her (sorry, I don’t know which) posts with “awareness”. If I sense flaming…I skip it…if I don’t…I read with the expectation that there is a point, not with the assumption that it’s crap. Just as I would anyone else. I don’t need someone else to protect me from this. I do, however, appreciate the fact that they can and do delete posts that are clearly nothing more that personal attacks. These do nothing but degrade the threads and prevent an open exchange of actual thought. I also know that moderators have to power to delete, so if they choose to be offended by language or ideas, they will do so. If any of these people were actually face to face with someone they would attempt some other, more immediate, way to “erase” what was said. (if they could get away with it)
BTW: I have been turning this whole thing over in my head this past week, spending time at other forums and lurking around here. It’s been good. I have a new perspective on SD and, with that in mind, have decided to continue to frequent these boards. Those moderators that enjoy wielding power, sticking blindly to a decision or who have personal agendas will continue to use (or not) policies and guidelines arbitrarily, to those ends. Those that don’t, won’t likely start. While there are some folks that I have been disappointed by, there are, by far, many more that I enjoy conversing with (although some aren’t around much these days, I think they might be lurking too, and maybe will return)and even more I have yet to meet. I figure; ignorance still needs to be fought, we just need to realize that it exists everywhere, even among the staff and “powers” at SD. They are, after all, the minority here. (I say that only because they have chosen to present themselves as a group with a collective mind, in terms of each other. They mustn’t ever disagree in public.) So what? I have found the members here to be, consistantly, far more enlightening and enjoyable. The exceptions to that were Melin and Jill. Ones gone and the other showed a side I hadn’t seen before. Maybe it’s always been there and I didn’t see it…maybe she, like most of us, has too much emotion tied up in the topic in question…maybe her and Melin had other problems and this was a catalyst. Who knows?
I have found some interesting and worthwhile forums that can provide what this doesn’t. So, when I want to engage in a specific serious, open dicussion, without being flamed, attacked or deleted, that’s where I will go. I will continue to attempt those same types of discussions here, with lesser expectations for now. Though, I realize that a lot of problems could be solved if folks would take the time to read an entire thread b/4 jumping in with knee-jerk responses.
It would all be so much simpler if one could
if we took things in context…oh well…

Just a Dreamer

My Pop has a saying that I think applies here: “He who has the gold, makes the rules”

If you are disappointed with the conduct of the administrators too f-in bad, get your own message board.


The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don’t have it.
George Bernard Shaw

Oh yeah…well…my dad can kick your dad’s ass!!!


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For the record, C3, I think you are great, I dont see the problem…maybe it is because I also have a LIFE!!!
y’know, with the whole melin thing, the loss of Quadell, and now this, I really dont think this place is worth the trouble, censorship sucks in any form.
If you dont like C3, dont read those posts.
You moderators/dictators are acting like a bunch of steroid riddled jocks…DO IT!!! WHY?? CAUSE I SAID SO AND I CAN MAKE YOU!!
whatever
BITE ME.

Kellibelli,

Damm you’re good!


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Hey C3, I agree with kellibelli. I have no problem with you at all. I actually look for your topics and responses. Where you go, usually fire will follow. You can get seemingly quiet, timid, politically correct people to totally loose it and fly off the handle. I think this is kinda’ healthy. And it is rather fun to watch. You add a lot of color to this board, which seems to be getting grayer and grayer these days. I say that if people can’t handle you, tough shit, they shouldn’t read or respond to what you post. You have as much right to be here as the rest of us do. I can think of a lot of other members of the SDMB that I would get rid of before I got rid of you.

(wiping tears)
I’d like to thank the academy…

really though, I love arguing with you guys, even (gag) Bjork!

stick to your guns my friends.

Lew says: << . If a post is making an actual, valid point…I read it. If someone is attacking, swearing, trolling, etc. for the express purpose of throwing a tantrum or flaming someone…I don’t read the post. EASY!! >>

Easy for you, maybe. For me, it’s hard to know what a post says until AFTER I’ve read it.

This is a moderated board, that’s the way the READER set it up. As long as we have that as a given, there will always be cases where someone is unhappy with any moderating. We do our best to keep the greatest number happy and to satisfy the READER’s requirements.

In any case, Lew, I’m glad to have you back.

Could you please explain to me, though: about the deletion of the entire thread. Ed apologized and admitted it was an error. Why is there is still an uproar about that?

kellibelli: why, thank you…i can almost take that as a compliment :). by the way, your n key seems to have a malfunction every once in a while. now if you are doing this on purpose i must point out that all the spelling thing was a part of another tread. and if you are thinking this as an insult of some kind i think you have to back up your accusations or be deleted. if you really want to get into this now, i can tell you that bjork is a female name here in iceland, although i guess you know that. bjorn is a male name and means in your language “bear”. if you really want to misspell my name it would be better to say birna, that being a female “bear” in my language. now analyzing this insult thing i must confess i dont feel at all bad about what you said to me, reason being…who cares if you are a man or a woman when posting on this messageboard?
now another thing, i first read a posting from you a while ago, it was something of a flaming towards me. and in your every post mentioning me, you breathe a little fire in my direction. i have answered as politely as i can (considering your words as i wrote mine). but it still leaves me thinking what did i ever do to you? you have from the start decided to disagree with me, and with a flaming attitude to back it up. in that smoking topic you resented that i agreed with you and mentioned something about your ass in the process, some burning sensation if my memory serves me correctly. well anyhows, im not out to always disagree with people i dont like, and i really try to like as many people as possible, some are making it a very difficult job to say the least.
well enough of that, there is this delete and con#3 issue. con#3 hasnt done anything to me (nothing i remember anyway, so if he did it wasnt really harmful), although he or some other people here on this messageboard might have said some things with a PG stamp.
the point being deleting posts, which violate the guidelines to which the people of straighdope work with, is a tool needed here. not badly because i havent read many, i any posts which deserve deletion. although baseless acusations of another persons character is not really wanted, it is in most cases not really bad enough for deletion.

point taken!

Probably C3, my Dad’s back sucks. At least it always seems to suck when I’m kicking his ass up and down the golf course.

Me: “Hey Dave, I kicking your ass by four strokes”
Dad: “Cut me a break will ya, my back hurts”
Me: “Suck it up old fart, I’m beating you like a pinata in Cinco de Mayo, I’m beating you like a steel drum in Jamaica…”
Dad: “Fuck off”
Me: “Not until I out drive your punkass 3-Wood with this 2-iron bitch, I own you like a cheap pair of sneakers Alice”
Dad: “give me a break, this is the third round I’ve played this week”
Me: “god, you’ve played three times this week and you still putt like Stevie Wonder, you really suck”
(and so on and so forth for 18 holes)

The above dialogue is obviously not revelant, but only intended for comic relief, please resume to your general level of flaming. Thank you.

That was pretty funny Jahender.


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