Gawd,
Now its a job’s creation program!
Are you and mswas related?
Of course not. He’s deserving of potential harm because he deigned to enter where he shouldn’t have gone. It has nothing to do with any duty of mine to minimize crime.
And yet… I have always managed to restrain myself when presented with such opportunities.
I look at theft as both morally wrong and illegal.
Actually, some Amazonian villages have very high crime rates. Among the Yanomamo murder is a leading cause of death among men and they don’t just steal each other’s possessions but also each other’s women.
Doesn’t make it right or OK if they do, however.
You carry on thinking that. Meanwhile there are people thinking if you haven’t got your valuables fully secure, with all the options you have got available these days, then you deserve to be robbed. I’m not saying I am one of them still, but I’m telling you they are definitely out there, and you can minimise your contact with them very easily, if at some expense. Still, what price can you put on peace of mind, eh?
I’m getting the feeling that some of the fine, upstanding gun owners we have on this planet are just looking for any opportunity to pop some lead in a criminals ass. And you are calling me deviant?
How about this…the thief should have turned himself in when he realized he had this deviant impulse to break into someones home and steal their stuff thus potentially putting innocent people in danger. That would have avoided a crime.
After all, he should be able to read his own “tells”.
If i leave my car unlocked while I go into a store for a cup of coffee it does not give you the right to steal my stereo. If I catch you it does kinda give me the right to crack your head open while your back is turned fooling around on my dashboard.
How can you seriously claim that its somehow the victims fault? Thats like saying a woman asked for it after a rape because she was wearing a mini skirt and tight top and hasd big boobs. If she’d only have worn a burqa, why, the scumbag wouldn’t have been tempted.
That’s a good way of looking at it, because as long as there are fancy baubles and people to buy them, it is never going away.
More effort to make it okay to be a thief.
I love the way your mind works. It’s okay for some random dirtbag to come into another person’s home and steal, but it is wrong for the homeowner to defend his home and property? It’s like you believe that thieves are, somehow, entitled to do what they do.
I look at it this way: The cheapest, shoddiest item in my house is still mine. Your lack of morals, honesty, empathy, and self-control does not give you a right to that item or anything of mine. Break into my house and I will shoot you because by breaking in you have demonstrated that you don’t think or act like a normal person. It’s been said a million times in this thread, but it’s worth saying one more time
If you don’t want to get shot, don’t break into people’s homes.
You can’t prevent what happens in the big world without being overwhelmed by paranoia, but in your own home you have a certain amount of control, and if you leave an opening for someone, you have released control and THAT IS your fault.
Or you could say, “It’s wrong to steal things from other people, but killing a person over a piece of stereo equipment puts new meaning to the term ‘Overkill’”.
So what? Even if I am the most bloodthirsty, greedy, selfish SOB in the whole entire world, you can avoid being killed by me just by not stealing my stero equipment. That’s the final, unavoidable fact of the matter. People who are not thieves don’t have to worry about things like being shot over stealing a tivo. People who are thieves assume all the risks of thievery. That includes being killed over a piece of stereo equipment.
Well, you certainly are giving them the ammo (heh) for that line of thinking.
Ivory tower Position : Don’t shoot em, its PROBABLY little neighbor Bobby on a dare. He wouldn’t hurt anyone.
Blow Em Away Bill : Gee, your right. I’d feel terrible!
Secure Your Stuff Spike : I was a criminal. A career criminal for years. For every crime I got caught at, there were many more I got away with. Made quite the living doing it. Most crime is done by career criminals. If you get between me and my escape, I’ll use force to get there. You should SEE me hopped up on adrenaline, I am super human I tell you, like a NINJA! Besides, its YOUR fault I am commiting this crime and any injuries are ALSO your fault.
Blow Em Away Bill : Well fuck THAT! Poor Bobby’s just gonna have to be statistically less likely collateral damage if it comes to that. Besides, he’s probably just a wanker/criminal in training, like his uncle Secure Your Stuff Spike was decades ago. I HATE NINJAS. NINJAS and CLOWNS. I can’t read their “tells” I tells ya. NINJAS and CLOWNS…creep me the hell out. Where’s my shot gun?
I’m missing the part here where you surely explained why I should feel bad about a criminal getting shot.
Never said that. More like, accept the reality they are out there and take your best steps to avoid becoming a victim. If you think that killing every low life miscreant who steps onto your property, or into your face will make the world a better place, believe away.
Lock your doors and windows and save your bullets and your Dirty Harry fantasies for the firing range.
You don’t use a shotgun on clowns. Shotguns are for ninjas, stereo thieves and other small game. For clowns you want a repeating rifle with some serious stopping power. Let me tell you as someone who had to do it once, you don’t want to have to track a wounded clown into the bush.
You still haven’t addressed why I should feel bad about a criminal getting shot or killed. You’ve already told us several times about the jailbird version of reality where it is the victim’s fault for getting robbed.
This is why I have a sword. No worries about accidentally shooting people!
(Yes, I have a shotgun. It’s a trap gun with a long barrel. Not so useful in an apartment. On the other hand, since my apartment is made out of concrete, I don’t have worries about wall penetration.)
But what about the rest of us? What are we to do with someone who has such a low boiling point that he would so easily kill someone for stealing a pile of metal? Someone who has so little regard for human life that he would put it beneath electronics without knowing all the facts (not just the fact that a stranger is in his home uninvited)?
Because like I’ve said, professional and/or hardened criminals do not go around doing sneak thefts on domestic premises while the owners are in. If you are happy killing petty criminals for trying to steal your shitty unprotected ipod, crack away, Charlie B.
Are you prone to breaking into houses? No? Then I guess you needn’t worry too much about being shot as burglar by an armed homeowner.
You keep ignoring the only salient fact there is: criminals who break into your home have no regard for the social contract that you keep trying to apply to them.