Ok, if I shouldn't _shoot_ the intruder, then...?

Your right.

I stepped over the line there!

I walked in the house pissed because I just rescued the 10th dog in 5 years in our neighborhood that is obviously is a well taken care of family pet that DOESNT have tag with a name or number on it. How these folks expect to ever get their pet back is beyond me.

Again, a mea culpa from me to everyone.

I take it general smart ass humor is still allowed ? :slight_smile:

The level of ignorance in this thread is really starting to piss me off. You don’t use an AK-47 for fruit basket-bearing old people. You use twin 9mm pistols and fire them simultaneously through the door. I don’t want to have to correct any more gun-related errors. NASCAR!

I hope so. I didn’t take the two-faced turd comment to be an insult, FWIW.

MY GOD!!! Is this thread still going? I gave up three pages ago. Either one believes in shooting, or not!

Mistake already noted, thanks for pointing it out again.

The requirements given to me said nothing about not being ridiculous.

Besides, crazy shit does happen.

Somewhat similar to your fruit basket scenario.

I should appologize for that to you. As noted above I was pretty pissed when I came in the house. If it makes you feel any better, when I read the reply that you had posted, I thought it was from another poster that keeps dodging the issue. Thats what set me off.

Again I apologize. But, like you, I can take the occasional harsh word aimed in my general direction :slight_smile:

Please don’t kill it yet if we start behaving.

We still need to hash out some stuff thats worth discussing, though I am too high on car paint fumes to be coherent tonight for that.

I hope to GAWD that you were painting some logos on your car…NASCAR!!

How is that in any way relevant?

Well, usually criminals don’t have Kevlar vests, right? Maybe I’m wrong here; I haven’t encountered very many violent criminals.

I’m actually not sure how that establishes anything that could be considered “relevant,” but I guess it’s just an observation of sorts. Kind of like, “Well, if you fire a gun, a bullet has to go somewhere, doesn’t it?”

Same thing about dogs. If a dog is barking , a thief can just go to a house without a dog. Thieves just want your stuff. they are not after confrontations and hurting people. They are business men just making an illegal living.They want to get in and out quietly and quickly.They need money ,either to buy booze,drugs or to feed their families.

If you take a look back through the line of questioning though, it just seems to be a set of random questions with no verifiable end point, restating the obvious.
Very much a summation:
From poster B: “Something about kevlar vest costs.

Me: “$300+

From poster A: "We don’t all live in a world of happy merry go luck people. There are lions and lambs.

Me: "Yes, and that’s why I reserve the right to shoot you if you enter my home against my wishes: You’ve shown yourself to be a lion of some nature.

Poster B: “A lion without a vest, right?

Me: “How the hell is that relevant?

I just don’t get how the type of clothing/armor a(n)/(possibly) armed intruder is wearing is relevant.

I think the point he is making is that anyone ruthless enough to carry out the type of crime feared by the OP - ie entering your home with more than the intent of theft. - is likely to be far more prepared for the occasion than you. And, unless you are prepared to reenact likely scenarios with you and yours, over and over again, your gun is not the equaliser you think it is.

Actually, the OP had the thief beating a hasty retreat.

Yes, but hadn’t y’all been discussing worst case scenarios? After all, that is why you have your guns, isn’t it? Remember the killer clowns with guns for hands and deep pockets to put your valuable stuff in after they’ve raped your pets and are about to come and do unspeakable things to you and your loved ones? How could you forget so quickly?

A few I missed first time round.

Righty ho, because you shoot to wound and disable, don’t you?

:dubious:

Which is best achieved by making sure killer clowns can’t get in in the first place and avoiding the whole Rambo shoot-out scenario! Let them come to you; don’t go out to meet them head on.

Example b is your c. I have never met an empathy-free psychopath yet who sneaks in houses, grabs the DVD player etc, and exits quietly, leaving you to discover your lax security in the morning.

And what I, kalhoun and others are trying to point out is that it is safer in the long run to rely on deterrence, rather than trying to bolt the stable door while the horse is kicking and putting up a fuss. ANYTHING can happen in those scenarios and it might be the last mistake you’ll ever make.

I’m going to see if I can reach a 100 GD posts in one thread without getting told off, then I’m outta here.

Funny, Ivan, that’s what they mean to me. And the rest of the northeast United States, at a minimum. Entering a home to steal things while people are present.

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So, don’t you differentiate between forced and non-forced entries into the home? **

What would your insurance company say if you tried to make a claim after a burglary, stating that the criminal got in through an open window and you had forgot to switch your motion detector on?

You do have to take certain precautions for your insurance cover to be valid, don’t you?

ETA I see you’ve answered that. Thanks.

Then again, neither is hiding in the back room.

If they are there for violence they are COMING for you.

That rocket propelled escape pod in the back bedroom will be worth every penny someday.

You’re not hiding, you are ‘lying in wait’ for the killer clown who wants to buttfuck you and steal your snazzy new mobile phone. Btw, how did your burglar get in again? Because if he dived through your window like a ninja, I’d say he was enough of a danger to be shot.