I guess, but then Loki obviously put a lot of work into his plan to screw up Shield, so in the rest of the movie he doesn’t seem to be half-assing it. Plus the whole point of a trickster God is his tricks (which was one of the things I thought they did well in the rest of the film). No tricks make him kind of a push-over as a villian, especially since his alien army was outside getting mowed down by a dude with a bow and arrow, so didn’t really make for much of a threat either.
But in anycase, whether it made sense in context or not wasn’t really my point. Having the aliens just wander around blowing up cars with no real purpose or objective made the last act feel pointless. The heroes are fighting the aliens, but it isn’t really clear why. The important thing is obviously to close the portal thingy (which the aliens seem to have zero interest in defending, since their primary mission appears to be blowing up cars), but the Avengers send their weakest member off to go figure it out instead of one of the characters with scientific training, while they run around trying to contain the aliens in the most densely populated area in N. America, so they can’t escape to somewhere less populated where they might do less damage.
I’m pretty sure that the Loki and company were quite confident that the tesseract and portal it was creating were 100% secure already. Ironman and Thor were unable to affect it in any way. The information the good guys needed about how to shut down the portal wasn’t available until Erik Selvig hit his head good and hard. At that point, any reasonably healthy person could shut it down.
Well, sure, obviously it worked out, because the Avengers are the good guys and so stuff is going to break in their favour. But the heroes aren’t supposed to know that, and they didn’t know going in that old-scientist guy knew how to break the barrier thingy. In the end, the invasion was stopped mainly because the characters were written to get lucky and the villain was written to suddenly get stupid. As I said, it was lazy writing.
I’m curious: imagine the old-scientist guy didn’t know how to break the barrier thingy. What exactly happens if the Black Widow frustratedly stands around up there, poking and prodding at it but utterly failing to accomplish anything, at which point Iron Man rockets that nuclear weapon through the portal right on schedule?
I also wondered why BW was in a hurry to close the portal once Iron Man had blown up the mother ship. No more enemies would be coming through at least for a little while; she could have given IM a little more of a cushion to come back through.
The comics are – slightly better at explaining it. The idea is that his shield is an uneven alloy, part-vibranium and part-some-other-metal: the center is mostly vibrainium, with comparatively little of the other stuff; the rim is mostly other stuff, with comparatively little vibranium.
I’m fairly sure adamantium was created after an attempt to replicate the alloy used in Captain America’s shield. That’s what Wikipedia tells me, although it needs a citation.
Plus it’s explicitly stated to be vibranium in the Captain America film.
You do know he put a parachute on, for the scene with Thor and Iron Man? Aside from that, there are only so many types of super heroes. Flying strength based heroes are common. Most also have an energy blast. Superman, Gladiator, Captain Marvel, Captian Britain, etc, etc. Having similar strength-based powers isn’t some horrible failure. The differences that are important are the character’s persona, and special effects.
Consider that in every cop, soldier or cowboy movie you’ve ever seen all the characters had similar powers.
That said, only two of the heroes could fly. And Iron Man was much faster than Thor. Iron Man, Thor and the Hulk were highly resistant to damage, with the Hulk at the top. Captain America could resist damage, but only when he had the shield in the way. The Hulk could super-leap, but not fly. Iron Man and Thor had directed energy blasts while Cap and Hawkeye had more modest weapons. Hawkeye had a ton of trick arrows, and Black Widow had her Widow’s Bite and manipulation skills.
This is hardly like the scene in Iron Man 2 where two guys in similar armor were fighting side by side.
Obviously different people will have different views, but you’re complaining about what most people see this movie as having in abundance. The whole point of the third act was them using their strengths to contribute to the goal of repelling the aliens.
And Romeo and Juliet is about some kids who really want to fuck, but their parents hate each other. Yawn. :rolleyes:
Aside from the fact that the military was at least an hour out (as stated specifically in the film) I’d probably put my money on the flying chariots with energy blasters.
I assume if the Avengers hadn’t shown up Loki’s plan was to raze New York and then go on TV and demand the world’s surrender. He apparently didn’t realize that the humans were willing to nuke 8 million of their own people to stop him.
Everyone has the right to their opinion. No matter how weird.
–Julie, code-named “84,” The 84th person with the standard FISS (flight, invulnerability, speed, strength) powers. Like Atlas, she is affected by Argonite. She is friends with both Moon Shadow and Tyler, but does not realize they are really the same person.
That’s correct. In the comics, Cap’s shield is an alloy of vibranium and an unknown metal (Dr. Myron McLain fell asleep during the alloying process and didn’t take good notes).
Wakandan vibraniun or Savage Land vibranium? My comic geek cred is going to take a hit here but I can’t remember which it was or which is which at the moment.
Wait wait wait. So if the Hulk is unkillable (as per posts on the last page), how did he kill the big mutant Hulk guy in The Incredible Hulk? I mean, they were both formed the same way, only the other other guy was even bigger and stronger. So how come HE can die?
Really, the pseudoscientific bit about Cap’s shield isn’t the absorbing of energy (which any material can do), but the absorbing of momentum (which ultimately ends up violating most known conservation laws). But in a comic book movie, I can go with it.
Also, for the scene where Thor drops the hammer on Cap: Per the comic canon, Thor’s hammer is awfully darn powerful, but Cap’s shield is an absolute: It cannot be destroyed, it cannot be smashed into his face, etc. If the Living Tribunal decided to smash the Earth between a pair of antimatter planets moving at hyperluminous speed, when all the dust (or rather, high-energy gamma rays) had settled, Cap’s shield (and Wolverine’s skeleton and a handful of other artifacts) would still be intact.
Wakandan vibranium is what Cap’s shield is (at least partially) made of. Savage Land vibranium, otherwise known as “the Anti-Metal,” has a completely different effect – it sends out subsonic vibrations that disintegrate most other metals.
I don’t think so. It was broken during the Secret Wars by a Beyonder-powered Doctor Doom. I imagine that the other cosmic-level beings in the Marvel Universe could muster that kind of power.
In addition, the Molecule Man has been able to disintegrate the shield (and re-create it as well).
