OK ,Now Tiger Woods domination is over

If you don’t know that Tiger has changed his swing, either you’re not an expert on the golf swing or you haven’t been paying attention to the coverage of what he’s done.

http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,1881733,00.html

Look through the whole sequence and read how he’s changed his swing to relieve tension on his knee.

Color me in complete disbelief that adding muscle cannot change your game for the worse. It’s obviously good to a point, and it is equally obvious that at some point, more muscle will change your swing and change your game. The only question is at what point.

Then you are not looking very hard at all. His swing plane and his follow through now compared to last year are significantly different.

Due to his knee not an extra half inch on his arms. When you hurt a knee you make adjustments to diminish the pain.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3920290&name=sobel_jason Here’s an ESPN article saying exactly that.

Which is it? First you said his swing hasn’t changed at all. Now you assert that it’s changed only because of the knee. Well?

And how can anyone possibly tell what effect upon his swing having larger biceps has had? Did the analysis you linked attempt to address the issue? How could they address the issue without having had some group of similarly biceped golfers to compare to? And what subtle changes would it create? Not to mention that the analysis would have to be of swing flaws, not the swing itself.

Try again.
Note, I’m not asserting the biceps have had anything to do with it. I’m simply saying you’re off base with your analysis here.

He favored the screwed up knee to diminish the pain. The knee has been fixed. Therefore he can swing like he used to. It is not about weight lifting.

Boy, you really aren’t getting it. Tiger’s swing NOW is protecting his operated upon knee. Not his swing from before the injury. His swing NOW.

Get that?

And that’s not to say that the biceps aren’t impacting the swing.

He used to swing with no knee pain. Then when it got hurt and floated ,he changed his swing to lessen the pain. His knee is now OK. He has resumed his old swing. The biceps are irrelevant.

Good lord, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re reminding me of an old boss of mine who once said that he had “never swung a golfing-stick.” Except he didn’t put on airs that he knew anything about swing mechanics!

You don’t even know what you are talking about. Tiger has had at least three different swings prior to the debacle with the knee last year. And the article you linked to from Jason Sobel didn’t talk about the new Tiger swing other than to include a comment from Tiger saying how nice it was not to have bones moving about, which could easily be a reference to how it felt in 2008 when he was swinging with a destroyed ligament.

But the analysis linked to previously by Ravenman shows that the new swing is designed to protect the knee from further damage. This is probably based upon a realization that the old swing (swing #3) was inflicting damage upon the knee in a slow process.

In sum, Tiger’s current swing is not the same as what he was swinging in 1997, when he had swing #1 and won the Masters, or swing #2, which he used to destroy the 2000 U.S. Open, or swing #3 which he used to mop up the world in 2007. Get it?

I get that you are wrong.

Ah, yes, the famous gonzomax logic. Say it, and it’s so. Don’t present any evidence, don’t present any logical arguments, don’t do anything to support your assertions (which are confused and contradictory), just say, “I’m right, you’re wrong.”

How silly of me to have thought this could be a discussion involving actual, you know, mature reasoned thinking processes… :smack:

Look, DSYoungEsq, just because we have numerous golf experts commenting in detail on the changes to Tiger’s swing, and just because you can’t swing a dead cat at a PGA Tour event without people talking about “Tiger 3.0” or whatever, and just because Tiger dropped Butch Harmon for Hank Haney five years ago, and just because there’s a whole special section of golf.com devoted to the changes in Tiger’s swing, doesn’t mean that gonzomax is wrong when he says that Tiger’s swing hasn’t changed.

Duh!

Well, ok, if you say so… :eek:
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That’s just sad. I feel bad for you.

http://www.pgatour.com/2008/tournaments/r004/01/27/ross/index.html Swing impact felt in early 2008.

And this supports what you have been saying how, exactly? :dubious: