Why is there no doubt about that? I’m highly doubtful of that. I repeat the question that I asked Gary Kumquat, is there any factual basis for this? Has anyone recently been killed or beaten is Glasgow for wearing a t-shirt that says “fuck the Pope”? Has anyone, anywhere in Britain, recently been killed or beaten for expressing any anti-Catholic hate speech? My guess is that the answer is no, but maybe I’m wrong.
This whole line of debate began with Gary insisting on similarity of Christians and Muslims in using violence to shut down speech. Many people around the world are killed, in the present day, for speech attacking Islam, both legally executed by governments and in terrorist attacks. Anyone who reads the paper can give many examples, with the Charlie Hebdo shooting being only the most famous. Some people say that those who speak attacking Christianity will be killed or beaten, but nobody can actually give an example. Instead we just get things like “no doubt about that” or “See how it plays out. My guess is badly, with a closed casket funeral to follow.” Never any actual facts.
Woah hang on, you asked for a group which had killed scores of people, there are plenty of Islamist terror groups in the Middle East, but you wanted a group specifically who had killed large amounts of people, and you talk about me moving the goalposts?
Nice, so really, it’s all our fault. The people of the region are poor beknighted fools, only worthy of manipulation, and with absolutely no autonomy in their own actions.
And? I’ve not denied we supported the house of Saud. But it’s the House of Sauds fault for supporting Wahabbism.
So you’re legitimately stating that Islamic extremism isn’t a consequence of their patriarchal regressive outlook, but actually a consequence of Western interference? So explain away Said Qutib, an Egyptian, who’s writing influenced the likes of Al Qaeda.
Usually those groups we support, their modus operandi isn’t the destruction of Western civilisation.
Correct. We installed them, we supported them till their control of the country was absolute, we armed them, and we turned a blind eye to every evil they commit, just as long as they keep the oil flowing.
And now we’re blaming anyone but ourselves for the massive shitstorm out there. We throw grenades in a pool, then complain that our feet are getting wet.
Google Ali al-Nimr for an example of what happens to the people there when they try to retake autonomy. Did you notice the UK or US criticizing the last round of executions of dissidents?
Islamic extremism would still exist even if we didn’t support the Saudis, this seems to go over your head, do you think their culutral conservatism would just dissapear if not for Oil?
Good. it supposed too, your absolving of Muslim Arabs being masters of their own actions is the form of cultural condescension which facilitates situations like what happened in Cologne in the first place.
I remembered the cancelling of the Saudi prison contracts instigated by the Labour opposition.
Yeah, pretty much. No oil, no budget. No budget, no ability to both oppress and dictate, as well as wage proxy wars near and far.
“for decades the Saudis have also lavishly financed its propagation abroad. Exact numbers are not known, but it is thought that more than $100 billion have been spent on exporting fanatical Wahhabism to various much poorer Muslim nations worldwide over the past three decades. It might well be twice that number. By comparison, the Soviets spent about $7 billion spreading communism worldwide in the 70 years from 1921 and 1991.”
And your deeply sad “but we cancelled the prison contract” rebuttal is beyond pathetic. We sold them $2.5bn of weapons last year alone:
But yeah, honest, it’s Islam that’s to blame. Sure it is.
The paper who broke the story on the mass sexual abuse at the Swedish concert has been accused of trying to cover up the story, and only printing it when they realized they could not bury it any longer, and other media knew they had it.
They replied that they got the information 6 months ago, but could not verify it.
The Norwegian reporters trade paper has checked out the claim, and found that they actively worked not to verify it, as in refusing to take the calls of policemen and a police psychologist who were at the concert.
The paper was offered the opportunity to reply to this and chose to retort with the claim that the online paper that first broke the news were “a hatemongering rightwing rag” This is considered an unusual retort when the reporters own trade paper ask for a comment on misconduct.
It also seems that the number of girl abused has been far larger than previously reported, the police psychologist state that it was every single girl he spoke to after the concert. Other policemen say this has been going on for 7-8 years, much longer than initially reported.
The chief of police say they suppressed the information due to not wanting to give the right-wing political party “good cards”.
You linked to a bunch of articles about violence between fans of two different football teams. (Which are actually soccer teams, of course.) What the heck does that have to do with anything that I’ve said in this thread?
Unless you think the unionists and Catholics are football sides, you’ve clearly not read the links. In case you’re really confused I should probably point out that the protestant orange order aren’t cheerleaders, and the Boyne celebration is not a prize giving
But to recap, you are very wrong and a ftp t-shirt would easily earn you a beating in lots of places around Glasgow.
I heard about this a few years ago, when I was last in Stockholm I asked about it and was told that there was a major problem in other parts of the country but nobody wanted to know
Gary Kumquat may be wrong about damn near everything else he’s posted in this thread, but he’s right that wearing a ‘Fuck the Pope’ T-Shirt in the wrong parts of Glasgow is asking for trouble.
Yeah, so let’s hear your explanation for Gamaat Islamiyaa in Algeria. You seem to be under the impression that it’s just money and our support that’s propagating this, this would of happened even without the Saudis sitting on Oil reserves, so try and explain away Said Qutib who was a well educated individual and primary concerned with the encroachment of Western values on Islamic culture. It’s a culture war, something which seems to go over your head.
A. “it is thought that more than $100 billion have been spent on exporting fanatical Wahhabism to various much poorer Muslim nations worldwide over the past three decades.”
B. Despite the cultural differences, discrimination/violence including sexual violence/genocide in Europe and Brazil is driven by racial supremacy with common ideological heritage in both places. The supremacist attitudes of Saudis and North Africans towards non-Muslims, especially non-Muslim women, also share common heritage in Islamic texts and their traditional interpretations and manifestations.
Whenever Islam is criticized, there’s this instinctive, almost knee-jerk reaction by many on the political left to swoop in and defend it. I’ve never quite seen that reaction when it comes to any other religion.
what is mind boggling is that the thread was started after the Paris attacks and the California attacks and within a week of the first post we have Jarkarta. Not that anyone will read the link but it talks about ISIS using their financial muscle to infiltrate and fund cells in Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines.
If we only had to worry about knee-jerk verbal defenses of it.
