I’m sorry, I can’t provide that anymore than you can provide me proof that these people should all be allowed to jump the normal immigration queue. That’s kind of what the border administration is for. But you don’t want to believe them. So who should make that determination then?
Insinuations about “jumping the normal immigration queue” don’t relate. This is an emergency, no one insists that people line up alphabetically to flee a burning building. Is it possible that some self-serving person will take advantage of the situation? Well, yes.
So, to thwart their selfish schemes, all those others just stand there and beg?
Did you read the quote from the article I posted above? Don’t seem like it.
No articles that discuss how the border agency came up with it’so conclusions? So a border agency and EU official statement that most of else people are migrants without elaborating on what basis? That sounds great and convincing. Suddenly all economic migrants decided that they wil, cross seas and head to Europe, meanwhile all Syrians caught in Syria never thought of leaving. No they love he conditions there.
By the way never did I say they should jump normal immigration and these are not normal immigrants, they are refugees. In case you did not know it, refugees and immigrants are different.
And yes the guy is a liar because he has failed as far as I know it to give any evidence that these people are regular economic migrants,
You do knkw high level officials lie don’t you?
Sure. I also know anonymous internet posters talk out of their ass at least as bad. The difference is he might lose his job and reputation if he’s blatantly lying but you will be free to keep talking out of your ass regardless of how wrong or right you are.
You’re gonna hurt somebody’s feelings, talking like that.
Yes yes, you FAILED to show any proof that the vast majority of these people are economic migrants and not refugees. If these people are not refugees then I don’t know what is.
Quoting people, no matter what their position who make a claim, is not enough. You and another Doper who I won’t mention, can keep claiming that these folks are only after jobs and nothing more , but it is pure nonsense.
Next you can quote the Hungarian prime minister, a liar and right wing, populist nutjob.
Anyways I rest my case and I’m moving on. But if you ever find any links that show these people are not refugees, feel free. In the meantime I will anonymously post on the internet, thank you very much.
Good, because you don’t have a case. It’s just you assuming all immigrants are refugees, also without any form of proof, and contrary to what the European officials state.
Who on earth do you expect to be quoted, other than the official sources???
Sweden has refused 45% of immigrants as they are not genuine refugees and have told the police to prepare 80,000 for deportation.
Europe has been warned to expect another 1,000,000 migrants this year.
The main crossing point into Europe is 25 miles between Turkey and Greece not the grand voyage that you intimate.
Are you official sources reliable, or are they Bagdad Bob?
That’ll be the same Daily Mail that has repeatedly simply made up stories about immigrants year after year after year, including their famous front page one about the tens of thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians poised to rush to the UK on 1 January 2014 (#7 on this list). You may recall that they went into great detail about all the special buses and flights that had been laid on for this purpose, and how Romania and Hungary were just handing out passports like candy to anyone who wanted one so they could come to Britain. Only problem was that the whole thing was made up out of whole cloth. No basis in reality whatsoever.
Actual numbers of Bulgarians and Romanians who arrived on 1 January 2014 - about three dozen. And the number of Romanians in the UK actually fell during the first quarter of 2014.
I trust Fortex and Europol more than Bob or Colin, yes.
But you again disregard the fact that there is ZERO indication that these numbers would be wrong.
You know, I went to the trouble of looking up whether this official wss from some nutty right wing party - he’s not -and posted it above. But it’s still so easy to hand wave his statement. Amazing.
You got a quote? Well, shit, that changes everything! Didn’t know you had an actual quote! Fuck, I’m done for now, I guess.
Perhaps I wasn’t clear in post#671. IF this 6 out of 10 figure is counting people from Turkish refugee camps as “economic migrants” then I don’t accept it as valid. I’ve stated in other threads on this topic that I don’t buy that reasoning. But if it doesn’t then that is a big number and something will have to be done.
It’s fine to be skeptical about the official’s statement but at least I’ve given you something official to be skeptical about. All I’m getting in response is “I think it’s a lie, now prove me wrong!”.
Well, maybe the orphans, then? Just the orphans, no grown ups. Problem’s gonna be that some of these unscrupulous folks are likely to turn their kids over and claim that they are orphans. You know, for all the economic advantages!
Like how they took those kids with them on those leaky boats, strap a kid to the front and back, bingo! Emergency life preservers! They’re different from us, don’t value human life the same way we do.
Sweet lord, don’t you ever say something with substance? I never said, and don’t think, they’re all a bunch of freeloading fakers. Even if the 6/10 economic migrants ratio turns out to be accurate that still leaves 4/10 real refugees.
So, what can we do for you? How do we make a major humanitarian effort that leaves no room for unscrupulous assholes to take advantage? You make MLK possible, you make Al Sharpton possible. Can you handle that?
How about this? Every refugee must declare a point of origin. They will not be permitted to stay, when the war is over, back they go! If they claim to be refugees from Syria, back to Syria they go. If they claim to be from Morocco, they don’t get in. The orphans, we let in, gather as much information as we can from them, so that relatives might be able to reclaim them, when God shall cease to avert His eyes…
Just tell us how, how to sort out the unworthy from the worthy. Tell us weak and weepy humanists who we can help, but for Christ’s sake, help somebody!
You’re still haven’t bothered to look into what the problem really is, have you?
It isn’t that no one is let in, it is that EVERYONE was let in and that it was just too damned many people to process. It’s a stampede.
That is kind of how it works already. Did you seriously think they don’t already ask country of origin? That they don’t have a list of regions that they deem dangerous and thus produce legit refugees? You think the EU authorities aren’t helping anyone? Seriously, what the hell?