How do you get to such bizarre absolutions though? You went straight from normal to extreme when talking about kids on the playground! Do you think any type of contact between males and females leads to rape? Do you just assume all guys are rape machines? How do you go outside your home without panicking in fear of rapists everywhere you see? Are you projecting one or two bad experiences with men into a worldwide rape epidemic?
This is the point in every conversation we ever have with ZPG at which we are again reminded that she’s simply a misandrist bigot. The additional crazy bits are just there for colour.
You missed a couple of steps.
Stage 1: ZPG checked through the phone that was legally hers, but given to her nephew on the mistaken belief that he was mature enough to use it properly. She found sexually explicit photographs.
Stage 2: ZPG got very mad at her nephew over his stupidity. Did slap the kid a few times. Did smash the phone with a claw hammer.
Stage 3: ZPG calmed down and realized these photos could be a lot of trouble especially because she (an adult woman past forty) is the legal owner of the phone, so she called her lawyer ASAP.
Stage 4: Lawyer took phone, questioned nephew (further berated nephew for being a dumb ass) and took appropriate action to make sure ZPG and nephew did not get into any trouble.
Stage 5: At some point these photos (and the sexual relationship between the teenagers) became knowledge to the girl’s father (non-Roma) who became enraged and wanted to punish the horrible pervert that “corrupted” his “innocent” daughter. At this point legal authorities become involved.
Stage 6: Nothing happened to ZPG and nephew despite the best efforts of the girl’s family because ZPG had taken necessary precautions to protect herself in her family in this situation. The girl did transfer to some sort of alternative high school though whether that was court ordered or by her family’s request ZPG has no idea and only thinks Good riddance.
Stage 7: Family decides they might as well let the nephew get married (arranged marriage) to a Roma girl because if teenagers are going to have sex, it might as well be legal sex.
I have no idea whether a rape charge was filed against the girl or not. The matter was left in the hands of the DA’s office. I do know she was sent transferred to an alternative high school for troubled teens. No charges of any kind where filed on my nephew and he was never arrested. Nor has he had to change high schools. The girl’s family threatened to file a civil lawsuit at one point. Over what I do not know, exposing their daughter’s stupidity, perhaps? Oh well, in America, anybody can sue anybody. Our side fired back that they could try and reminded them strongly that there was no evidence of nephew committing any crimes unlike their daughter.
Sometimes you have to be to keep teenagers out of trouble.
I have to admit, I find MB’s ideas interesting, too. Not because I think she’s literally in another world, but perhaps a different culture that differs from our own.
The reason I say this is that I have also been accused sometimes of similar things–of having my own facts. (And I sometimes think it seems like others are in a different world than me.) The difference is that they blame this on me being sheltered. And, while I’m not some guy who has always been stuck in my house, I am someone who has stayed in a rather insular community, and learned about the rest of the world mostly through media.
The only problem I have is that ZPG talks like she goes out into the wider world. She references living in a big city, not a podunk town. And she constantly talks about being with people who are not Roma, so it’s not cultural isolation.
Instead, while I think there may be some of that, I think there is something else at play, too. Being a minority that is often discriminated against, I think she’s developed a filter through which she sees the world. I also think, from what she has said about her culture, that there is a level of untruth that is considered normal for her. She had to exaggerate to do her palm reading stuff. So I think she does it here, ala Broomstick.
Essentially, she has beliefs that she knows are right, and has the cognitive bias to only see confirmation. We all have this to some extent, but it seems to inform most of her interactions with us. And if she has to bend the truth a bit to get across what she wants to say, that’s okay. Just as long as she can justify it as still “true.”
Stage 2a: ZPG knowingly admitted to committing assault on a minor.
Stage 2b: ZPG did demonstrate anger management issues.
I think sexual abuse of females has gone on far too long because people dismiss male aggression against women too easily. Are you male? The world is different for women. Rape is not one of those things we can just forget to think about. It’s a real problem.
Again, we are making a lot of assumptions. I think more information would be helpful.
**ZPG **is saying that boys on playgrounds molest girls, and that schools are allowing it. That’s not something to be taken lightly, ignored or brushed off. It it’s true, it sounds pretty despicable. If this is happening, do we want to support it? I think not.
I would like to know what **ZPG **considers “molestation”, so that we’re on the same page.
ZPG, which of the following occurred on the playground, in your experience?
- Boys touching girls.
- Boys touching girls, involving genitalia, breasts, or similar.
- Boys touching girls against the girls’ will and/or with the girls resisting.
- Boys touching girls against the girls’ will and/or with the girls resisting, involving genitalia, breasts, or similar.
- Attempts at kissing or similar.
- Physical violence, boy-on-girl, sexual or otherwise.
- Full-on penetration, penis in vagina.
- Full-on penetration, penis in other orifices.
- Other body parts in other orifices.
- Something I didn’t think of.
And, yes, I know that it sounds like I’m f***ing around here. I’m finding it impossible not to invoke some corollary of Poe’s Law in threads like this. Please, just give me the benefit of the doubt and assume that I’m being serious. I see nothing impossible about anything on that list.
Too late for edit: “Playground” may not be right, exactly, that was from Knowed Out’s post, not ZPG’s post that he linked to. Replace with “during sports or co-ed activities”.
My experience as a child and helping my nieces through school are that 1-6 occur fairly common. And plenty of little girls did not like it. Unless the girls have adults wiling to stand up for their rights as women the girls are punished if they try to defend themselves. I was an early developer of breasts. I use to bind them with bandages trying to keep the monsters on the playground to leave me alone. It was only after my father taught me how to grab the penis and developing balls and try to tear something off that the little bastards left me alone.
You are completely wrong, and I suspect need to get out more. You could not be more wrong.
I get out a lot. I belong to multi-professional associations and am actively involved in numberous civic groups. The Dope is the only place outside of volunteering at a homeless shelter or working with teenagers in poverty that I have encountered so many people ignorant of such basic etiquette.
ZPG says killing women is fine.
ZPG says killing children is fine.
ZPG says slut-shaming is fine.
ZPG says killing people who suggest she’s a prostitute is fine.
ZPG says men who offer to shake hands are potential rapists.
ZPG says women who don’t object are whores.
ZPG says racism is fine.
ZPG says adopted children are tainted.
ZPG says adoptive parents are monsters.
Write it all out like this and it’s fairly embarrassing that I still engage with her. I think I’ll stop.
Holy batshit crazy. Okay, good to know. Will file away for future reference.
Congratulations on joining a very exclusive club.
Too Retarded Didn’t Read.
So if someone touches you it’s rape but it’s cool for you to beat children.
Ah, you got you’re nephew a whore, least you could do after beating him.
Well, I certainly won’t argue with that.
OK, you’re saying that the girl’s father expressed a desire to punish your nephew. Furthermore, that he described your nephew as a horrible pervert, and his daughter as innocent and subsequently corrupted. Were these statements and descriptions, the way you phrase them, expressed in these words or something close, or are you paraphrasing? Did he tell this to you, or to your nephew, directly? Or you get this information by way of a lawyer? Or by some other means?
Also, just wondering, concerning who holds what viewpoint in the situation: Do you agree with those statements at all, or would you describe the relationship in different words?
About the legal authorities: You went to the police, to get information about whether your nephew might be in trouble, and consulted with your lawyer. However, you did not take legal action against the girl’s family, is that right? The girl’s father initiated legal action?
I’m still a bit confused about who involved the legal authorities against the other side first, so it would be cool to have that cleared up.
Just to clarify something about the chronology and the ages of the participants here. At the time of the original relationship with the non-Roma girl, both parties were below the legal age of consent. At the time of the marriage to the Roma girl, had your nephew reached the age of consent? Was the Roma girl of legal age of the time of the marriage?
Re: post 74: Whoa, jsgoddess, that’s a pretty heavy-duty list of accusations there. Not to be a dick about this, but I think I’ll pull out the ‘cite’ card for a couple of those. Which of the following did **ZPG **actually say?
Cite?
Cite?
Well… you know what, I’ll give a pass on that one.
Cite?
Yeah, she did say that. I actually think it went a bit further than “potential”.
She did basically say that, too.
Cite?
Cite?
You know, I did see her say that.
Okay let’s play
jsgoddess says robbing people for 18 years is fine
jsgoddess says that women who can’t get abortions should just accept their fate as incubators
jsgoddess says expecting adults to be responsible for their actions and the messages they convey is wrong.
jsgoddless says that slandering women is fine and women have not right to defend themselves against defamation of character.
jsgoddess says that men should have the right to force or intimidate women into touching them even if that touching is in the form of an act they only do with their spouses.
jsgoddess says that women should go along with the sexual victimization of another women to please men
jsgoddess says that past experiences are irrelevant, so are personal preferences, and that some minorities are more entitled then others.
jsgoddess says that its perfectly all right to take children away from their rightful families, communities, and cultures and give them to infertile or sometimes just plain greedy people who happen to have more money. And of course, the children will be perfectly fine as a result of legal form of ethnic cleansing.
Write it all out like this and it’s fairly embarrassing that I still engage with her. I shouldn’t stop though. Evil triumphs when the good say nothing.
Let’s cut through the bullshit between what you said vs. what you mean.
Your handshake = rape assertion requires the necessary belief that all contact is equal. They are not, obviously
It focuses on the very specific idea that physical rape requires only that an unwanted touch occur, ignoring any context. It would be like saying cake is food and therefore all food is cake.
Yes, sexual violence is often dismissed as incidental touching, but you forget something: INCIDENTAL TOUCHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS!
Furthermore, by thinking as you do, you trivialize the actual harm of actual rape victims, which is why most of us think you’re full of shit. If you’re merely existing off in your corner with all the stupid beliefs bottled up inside your head, that would be one thing, you’d be a weird curiosity and nothing more, but you leave your hole to spread hurtful, damaging, and dangerous information based on the above misconceptions.
You’re the kind of person who would cry harassment if someone looks at you wrong. You’re the kind of person who spreads conspiracy theories about social norms because you don’t like them. You’re the kind of person who is probably very inconsistent in their own life because no human can possibly believe the shit you do and have it interfere with daily living every single second of the day.
Only if there is a sexual component. If I headbutt you, I didn’t rape you. If I roundhouse kick you in the face, I didn’t rape you. That you think it has is more your problem than mine, because I’m not going to stop roundhousing random people in the face
Part of what you learn as far as mental illness goes is that something is an illness when it is debilitating, when it affects other parts of their life, and when it substitute a fake reality for the actual one. A person can be eccentric without being mentally ill if it doesn’t impair your life. You can believe something crazy but if it doesn’t affect anyone else negatively, there’s no reason to lock you up. No matter what is “reality”, medically and legally, you probably won’t be committed to a hospital for simply thinking crazy or odd thoughts if you can still function as a normal human being. Nobody is dragging you away if you believe in fairies unless you’re dressing up like them and hunting them in the woods with a shotgun.
What’s the point of all this? Well, if the vast majority of people are ok with enforced handshaking, and it doesn’t negatively impact them, and they are not harmed, and you still think its rape? Maybe you should be more tolerant of your idea of rape. It is, after all, just a word. Calling some mild action “rape” doesn’t make the mild action worse, it makes the word “rape” less serious.